I'll give you that. What impresses me about this guy isn't just how HIGH he can jump. It's how long he hangs in the air and how far he travels horizontally on top of the several feet vertically he gets into the air. Dunking from the free throw line over a car on ANY height basketball hoop means you still have to move almost 15 feet horizontally and more than 4 feet vertically. That's some serious hang time. This guy could probably be competitive in the Olympic long jump. Ok, how many feet did Vince really get into the air? If I jump over a 4 foot post with my legs spread, does that mean I actually leaped 4-feet into the air? Of course not. Fact of the matter is, Weis bent down a bit and Vince's legs went to either side. I'd say he got roughly 40 inches off floor. Moreover, if Carter's arms had been a few inches shorter, he would've gotten stuffed by the rim. Again, I'm not saying what Vince did wasn't amazing. It absolutely was...but like I said before, he did not leap 7 feet into the air to completely clear the top of Weis' head and power the ball through the hoop.
VC literally jumped over a 7ft player, where does anyone say he jumped 7 feet in the air? There has yet to be a dunk where a guy does this, not in a dunk competition, not in a real game. Did you even watch the video? What's your definition of powering the ball through the hoop? Like I said, until someone does a dunk similar to that, jumping over people kneeling down or sitting in chairs isn't all that impressive IMO.
You would never see this guy do any of these dunks in a game. He's 156 lbs. He would be sent flying by your avg YMCA player. VC's dunks has way more power and height. Not to mention the pizazz. He did a 360 in the middle of traffic against the Lakers and routinely dunks over the best shot blockers. His dunks from the slam dunk contest 5 years ago is much more impressive than anything this Algerian guy did in the video.
Forget it, you obviously didn't even read my first post. I wasn't disputing the fact that Vince Carter jumped over a 7 ft player. I wasn't even disputing the fact that the dunk was amazing. I was disputing the fact that most people take that dunk as if it were some God-like feat that could never be duplicated ever...anywhere. In my opinion, I've seen more impressive dunks from just Vince Carter himself. Jumping 40 inches into the air is something many people in the NBA can do. I believe high flyers like Jason Richardson or Kobe Bryant wouldn't have too much trouble duplicating what Carter did in the 2000 Olympics.
I agree with your statement that it can be replicated, but the fact is it is a dunk no one has EVER seen in a game or even a dunk contest. Lets Say 7 foot 2 frank weiss did bend over, which he did, he'd be mabye 3-4 inches shoter, making him around 6-11, 6-9 range. The fact that he hurdled the guy is why this is arguably one of the greatest dunks ever seen. When Jrich duplicates this dunk in a game or even a dunk contest, then it would be knocked down a notch. Until then, this stands as an amazing dunk that has yet to be duplicated. And yes, he did power the ball through the hoop, otherwise it would have just rattled around. There's a difference between assuming someone can do it, and actually seeing it done. The fact that was done in a GAME situation further adds to its mystique and grandeur.
Agreed. I just tend to look at things more from "level of difficulty" perspective more than anything else. If you take a look at TMac's dunk on Bradley in the playoffs last year, it's actually pretty similar to Carter's dunk on Weis. Naturally TMac didn't get quite as high, and Bradley was bending over a bit more, but he got high enough to ride down Shawn Bradley's back. If Carter hadn't pushed off a little with his left hand while he was on Weis' shoulders, or if Weis were 4 inches taller, I think Carter would've ended up sliding down the same way he came as well.
Here is your first post: "It was damn impressive yes, but some of you are making it seem like Vince Carter actually leaped 7 feet into the air clear over Frederick Weiss' head and powered the ball through the hoop. Yeah right..." So first you say people were making it seem like Carter jumped over 7-foot Weiss and cleared his head (which is exactly what he did, obviously he didn't jump 7 feet in the air, but he did clear a 7-footer). And now you're saying that we were making it out to be a god-like feat? I agree that it could be duplicated but then I have to ask why it hasn't? The highest dunkers in the dunk contest still dunk over people kneeling down or sitting down. Jumping over a player nearly as tall as Weiss would win the contest for sure. There is a reason why people won't attempt what VC did. Like I said, until someone does something similar to VC (as good as TMac's dunk was, it was nowhere near what VC did to Weiss), no dunks will impress me nearly as much IMO. BTW, do you have something against VC? You're the only who has ever tried to downplay that dunk, only one. So in fact, you were disputing the
Re-read what I said. "Some of you are making it seem like Vince Carter leaped 7-feet into the air" and "clear over Weis' head." I apologize if the wording is confusing, but what I meant was he did NOT leap 7 feet into the air and clear Weis' head cleanly. If he HAD leaped 7 feet into the air and cleared Weis' head CLEANLY, that WOULD be akin to a god-like feat since leaping 84 inches into the air is inhuman. Instead, he leaped about 40 inches (which other NBA players can do), bumped into Weis at neck height, then pushed on Weis' head a little bit so he would go over. Yeah it would, but who in the NBA can actually jump over a 7'2" player without some significant contact. Any major contact with a hurdle during a dunk contest would probably cost you a lot points. Would anyone have been impressed if Nate Robinson jumped over Spud Webb the way Vince jumped over Weis? Nate pretty much completely cleared the top of Spud's head. There was much more contact in Vince's dunk. What made it exciting was the fact that he pulled it off in a game situation. Now...in the game what if he had landed wrong? What if Weis decided not to bend his head down? Vince wouldn't have made it over and probably would've landed on his back, perhaps seriously injuring himself. I think that's the primary concern that keeps players from attempting to jump over other players in a game. Frankly, I doubt Carter was actually TRYING to jump over Weis. He was just aiming for a posterization and suddenly found himself on the other side of the man trying to draw the charge. No I don't. I'm not as impressed as you are by that dunk and it suddenly makes me a hater? I just have a different outlook. Being in the engineering field for 12 years means I tend to look more at the physics of a dunk than the "mystique." I agree, the idea of leaping over someone to throw down is certainly more glamorous than any other dunk that's been done, but as far as degree of difficulty...I don't think it is, at least not with the amount of body contact Vince had. Putting the ball between your legs or bouncing it off the backboard in a game situation would be harder to pull off IMO since it takes a lot more coordination. I said before it was an amazing dunk, but I think he's had plenty of dunks throughout his career that are more impressive than the one over Weis. For example, his 360 windmill during the 2000 dunk competition impressed me more than his jumping as high as he could, running into someone, and then pushing off on his head so he goes over. If you still don't get what I'm saying, I can't help you. Just suffice it to say, my opinion differs from yours, and I expressed it. Deal with it.
thats pretty crazy if u think about it.... i mean seriously.... think about it... how the hell do u jump SO high that u cant even land right... CRAZY... is there anyone else out there that cant land perfectly when all they do is jump as high as they can? its comparable to a freak of nature big baby(probably giant) who doesnt know how strong he is... or a HUGE dog that thinks hes still a puppy.. lol
Please show me one post where anyone says VC jumped 7-feet in the air? Every post says he jumped over him (which he did) and cleared him (whatever your definition of clear is, he still completely made it over him). I don't know why you keep on bringing up that we're making it seem like he jumped 7-feet in the air. You said yourself that it is inhuman, it also seems like you're the only one that doesn't get what we meant. Yes, VC has had some sick dunks, in competition and in real games, but NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT HE DID TO WEISS. If you're an engineer who looks at physics, don't you think a 6-6 220lb Vince Carter who is, as you put it, running into someone (at full speed) and then pushing off on his head, would cause Weiss to do more than just balk down 2-3 inches? But like you said, I guess I have to "deal with it."
Oy, why're you still not getting my point? I NEVER said any member claimed he jumped 7 feet into the air. What I meant was: "The way you guys are talking about that dunk, it's AS IF he DID jump 7 feet into the air" or... "The way you guys are talking about that dunk, it's AS IF it WERE an inhuman or god-like feat" It's called exaggeration. People use it all the time. In other words: "Most people think it was the greatest dunk ever, but I don't think it was THAT great." Is my viewpoint finally clear to you? Do you really want to get into a physics lesson here? Short story is... Carter's momentum was going up more than it was moving forward. One nudge was all he needed to push Weis' head under him, but without that nudge and without Weis' bending down a bit, Carter would've either (assuming Weis stands completely still like a statue) 1. Slid back down the way he came or... 2. Flipped forward because of the dunk he was trying to throw down and landed on his head on the other side of Weis. 3. (The most likely scenario) Reached the top of his leap, come down and bring Weis down with him (because he's not a statue) in one huge heap. To be completely honest, from that video, it looks like Weis' entire body balked so it was more than just 2 inches.
You guys are really delving way to far into this stuff. They're all great dunkers. Anyone know the name of the streetballer who could do a 540? I read about him in Slam years ago.
Concerning VC's dunk over that 7 footer, you've got to take into account that those tall and long NBA dunkers have longer arms than smaller guys, bigger hands, and that his groin area is higher off the ground as well , so it's not as high a leap required for bigger guys. If a small guy got hung on someone's head, it'd be a long fall.....That said, VC has the hops and the size to do some sick things, which he is famous for. That dunk in the Olympics was rare and awesome. What's interesting to me, concerning the video's I saw, is that these sub 6' guys must have some large hands to hold onto the ball like they do. Maybe they are using a WNBA sized ball? Some of the goal heights didn't look right either, like the one where the guy did a cartwheel and dunked-but he looked like a much taller guy too.....who knows? It's hard to tell when all the camera angles are from the floor.
http://www.and1.com/section/features/tour This guy from AND1 (Taurian Fontenette) can do a through the legs, 360 dunk. This probably the 3rd best dunk I've ever seen after VC's "over the Frenchman" dunk and James White's "double handed at the freethrow line."
i've been thinking to myself for a while when is a player going to be able to do a through the legs 360 dunk, but to see it done is just amazing
If Yao was laying down I could probably jump over him too! The point is the guy was ducking, so to make the statement fair you'd have to say "VC dunked over a 7 footer who was ducking to avoid eating some sausage and meat balls."
