Amare Stoudemire a Rocket? The Rockets will try but come up short

Amare Stoudemire is too selfish, he wants to be the featured guy on all the teams. No way would I ever run my offense through Amare over Yao.

Amare is overrated anyways, He has no IQ, Doesn't impact the game much outside of scoring anyways. He would be perfect for the Knicks, since Mike D is coaching there.

He has no chance at leading a team anywhere without a PG, this team has no PG.

 

I heard an article says it is Amare who wanted Mike D go.

 

Take Amare in a heartbeat... (especially if we can dish rafer or tmacs contract in the process.... if not, use those pieces to take care of the pg prob)... i love Landry and Scola... but c'mon, Amare's a beast! We've got tons of better than average talent (Scola, Landry, Battier, Rafer) we need to parlay into another blue chip player or two (and pray it doesnt turn into another Barkley episode ) Imagine starting: Ming, Amare, Battier, Artest and Hinrich.... or Ming, Amare, Artest, Tmac and _____ (better pg)....

 

Fans don't care about chemistry. They think you can just throw a bunch of star players together and it will all work out.

Amare wants to be the man. He wants to be what Tmac was in Orlando. Is he going to settle as second or 3rd best player? Newp. He cares about his numbers. It doesn't seem like he even likes Yao from their past meeting and wants to humiliate him whenever they played against each other.

 

We understand what you mean about chemistry. I mean look at what's going on with Artest and McGrady now, they are almost at each others throats.
Everyone else wants to be 'the man' on this team also, except Yao. The one person that needs to step up and be the leader of this team doesn't, ha funny.

What's the big deal with adding another selfish player that is better then Artest?

 

I dunno, how about adding a team player that plays a position that is much more needed instead?

 

FYI I was bein sarcastic...

 

If Morey can get it done, then, by all means.

Let's be practical about this.

The Rockets have a 2 year window to win a title.

After that, the Rockets are shaking things up with virtually nobody on the books.

I would much rather trade for Amare, and worst comes to worst, his number, along with T-Mac, and along with pretty much everybody else, will come off the books in '10.

The Rockets don't need a PG upgrade. Rafer, for all his faults, gets the job done. Sure, he doesn't shoot much, but think about every playoff series the Rockets have had, and it's T-Mac who has the ball, initiating the offense, anyway.

 

Rafer doesn't shoot well, I mean.

 

I rather acquire Steve Nash then Stoudemire

 

If we trade Artest for the price of Stoudemire, I don't see the point of making this deal. If we ran a poll before the Artest for Jackson trade of who we would've prefer in a Rockets uniform, Artest or Amare, I would think the results would be split 50:50. But now because, Artest's numbers and production are slightly down, some feel like we should trade him.

The truth is, if we did trade for Amare now, we also cannot expect the 20-10 nights he's putting up with the Suns. Any all-star quality player coming onto a Rockets with already Yao and T-mac will expect some drop in his production. It's happened to Ron Artest this season, and it happened to Bonzi Wells after his great playoff series with the Spurs.

Having said that, Artest is not having that bad a year that we absolutely need to trade him away in the first place. 16 points, 5 rbs, 3 asts, and 1.7 steals a game are not bad stats. Also, he's not ruining any team chemistry that we know of, and appears to want to play within the team concept. The only reason I can think of to make this trade is the Rockets fear that they might lose Artest to free agency next summer, and so want to trade him now for an all-star quality player.

But if this team really is in win-now mode, Artest should stay. This team has been through some injuries and therefore have not have much time to gel. As long as everyone can stay on the court, hopefully this team is ready to contend by playoff time. Trading for Stoudemire would only prolong the team chemistry process, since we would need to define new roles for Amare as well as for Scola, Landry, and Hayes.

 

Have you read any of the numerous chemistry posts floatin around here?

 

The honest to God question you have to ask yourself, is, if the Rockets aquire Amare, are the Rockets any worse off?

Big time no, IMO.

If yes, how? Chemistry?

What Rockets chemistry? The team is a mess right now, with everybody pointing fingers, and, the Rockets not even having a healthy lineup for more then like 5 games in a row with everybody intact.

The fact of the matter is, Ron Artest will not be resigned this offseason.

Morey has set this team up to be in perfect position come the '10 FA bonanza.

With that said, why not trade for Amare?

Get what you can for Artest, while you can.

Amare will opt out in '10.

T-Mac's $20M+ number comes off the books. So does Rafer's. So does a lot of other Rockets.

Get Amare, and the Rockets will be a big time player in '10 to lure FA's. We'll have cap space, and a big man in Yao to help attract over FA's.

Amare brings quickness in the frontcourt, something the Rockets lack. Yao is slow, Scola is slow, and Landry plays big, but still, he's only 6'8.

Amare is the perfect two year rental for this team, as opposed to somebody like a Kirk Hinrich, or a Ron Artest one year rental.

 

thank god someone here has a freaking brain

 

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Explaination:

The New York Knicks are looking to clear salary cap space in anticipation of the plethora of talent in the 2010 free agency pool. With this in mind, they would of course like to receive some expiring contracts. Now I realize the contracts they are trading away are rather short, such as the David Lee one, but with Lee playing so well this year, it is hard to imagine the Knicks signing him to a long term contract that could potentially hinder their payroll flexibility in the future. The Knicks also get rid of Stephon Marbury and end all the drama surrounding his contract and playing situation. In return, they get Ron Artest for a year, a player who could potentially be the Shawn Marion type player that thrived in D’Antoni’s system for so many years (minus the acrobatic dunks). They also receive a smart veteran player, Brent Barry who can teach Chris Duhon a thing or two. Along with these players, they also get the Brazilian blur, Leandro Barbosa. Now it may seem dumb to trade a contract worth 6 million annually over three years for another contract worth 6 million annually over three years; however, Barbosa is much easier to trade than Jared Jeffries is. Also, Barbosa thrived in D’Antoni’s fast paced system. True in terms of size, New York loses the 6’11” Jeffries and the 6’9” Lee while receiving 6’7” Artest and 6’6” Hayes, but Jeffries was rarely a factor for playing time. Remember, the Knicks aren’t overly concerned with immediate success (though this does provide them with some immediate salary cap relief since they are over the luxury tax threshold). They are looking at the potential for success a year and a half down the road. New York would benefit from having Artest, a native New Yorker, whom fans have been dreaming of since the rumors first surfaced a few years ago.

The Phoenix Suns are in a financial pit as the economic recessions has hit owner, , rather hard. Now in terms of chemistry and overall satisfaction, the Suns seem to be rather fed up with Amare Stoudemire, one of the best young forwards in the league. Porter has also been rather displeased by the production of Barbosa, who a year ago was one the best 6th men in the league. According to rumors, the only untouchable on the Suns is point guard Steve Nash, which begs the question, why would they trade him? Well, first off, Nash really isn’t happy in Phoenix right now. He has stated that this has been the most difficult year of his career by far. With the regime change from offensive guru Mike D’Antoni to defensive minded Terry Porter, Nash now finds himself in a more half-court based offense which doesn’t suit his style very well. Insiders are rather skeptical about the Suns moving Nash, so it remains seen if this trade would even be considered; however, this trade is a logical one for Phoenix. First, they receive the huge expiring contract of Stephon Marbury, which provides them with a tremendous amount of economic relief. Secondly, they get the defensive minded players they lack in the front court in Luis Scola and Jared Jeffries. Jeffries is similar to the archetypical defensive stopper, but he is relatively weak physically. That being said, he can still potentially guard all 5 positions, which would provide Phoenix with the go to stopper they have lacked since trading Marion. Scola provides the main front court defense that Amare cannot and probably will not supply the Suns. David Lee is probably the most intriguing piece of the trade. Not only is his contract cheap, his production is off the charts and he provides versatility in the front court on a team loaded with guards. Alston is a temporary stopgap between the past and the future (Nash and Dragic). Apparently, the Suns are really high on Dragic and envision him as the future replacement of the two-time MVP. With this trade, the Suns suddenly free up playing time for Dragic in which he could develop his skills. In terms of talent, the Suns are obviously on the losing end of the deal, having to deal Stoudemire and Nash; however, in terms of need, financial considerations, and future plans, this deal really helps them.
The Rockets are receiving the greatest immediate boost in this deal. They get a future Hall of Famer in Steve Nash and the high-flying Amare Stoudemire. Few people realize how important it is that Stoudemire stays with Steve Nash. Stoudemire is not a very fundamentally sound post up player. He prefers the pick-and-roll, fast break types of offense to score. If the Rockets were to acquire Stoudemire as is, they would really get less than they bargained for. Stoudemire can only thrive with three point guards that are currently in the league: Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, or Chris Paul. This is because he needs the fast break, pass first point guard. Of course, many fans out there will cry foul about this trade for obvious reasons. Rockets are a defensively minded team. Stoudemire is a terrible defender. In many ways, this argument is valid; however, the problem for the Rockets is that they are too defensive minded at the cost of offensive production. The Rockets need to start being more offensive minded, because at the end of the game, a good offensive trumps a good defense. Many fans may disagree, but think about it in terms of this. How many big men are the go to guys at the end of the game for their team? The answer is only a handful: Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard and perhaps Tim Duncan (shares with Parker and Ginobili). Stoudemire won’t need to guard those guys, Yao can. However, if the Rockets need a basket, how many people really feel safe with T-Mac dribbling down the clock? With Nash and Stoudemire on the team, the potential options at the end of games are doubled: Yao with the Shanghai shake, T-Mac with a jumper, Amare with a thunderous dunk, or Nash with a three. Also, T-Mac has appeared to have given a rather lackluster performance this year. His numbers across the board are down. Many have blamed his commitment for his struggles, but perhaps that is not the true reason for his play. T-Mac, in the Rockets current offense, is heavily depended on to handle the ball. Perhaps the burden of dribbling up the court, finding the open man, and scoring baskets has become too much for him. With Nash, suddenly, T-Mac doesn’t have to worry about taking over point guard duties. This frees him to focus solely on scoring baskets and perhaps playing some solid defense on the other end. With the addition of the pass first mindset of Steve Nash, T-Mac will get a lot more scoring opportunities and boost that field goal percentage. With Nash and Stoudemire on board, the Rockets offensive skills are magnified. The Rockets can take you on the fast break, they can slow the ball down into a half court set, and they can still play some solid defense with Battier, T-Mac, and Yao. The window for the Rockets is closing. T-Mac has a few good years left in him, while Yao isn’t getting younger. With Nash and Stoudemire, the team immediately become favorites to capture their first title since Hakeem and Drexler led the Rockets to the top in 1996.

 

Thing is, neither team is a contender.

 

That is team transplanting, and it wouldn't happen. Even if they were hit by hard times, even if the trade is best for both sides, that is too massive of a trade and the lawyers would be working on it for years...

 

It would be cheaper for the owners to swap teams then to do the trades lol.

 

lol right

 

i prefer a PG or a swingman,Luis is good for us