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Amare a 'top 20 player'???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hpscc, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. ivan_zhang

    ivan_zhang Member

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    Amare is nothing, if you know a man named KEMP
     
  2. jello77

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    amare stoudemire cant score from outside five feet.

    if you were starting a new team from scratch, would you take yao ming, or amare stoudemire?

    point proven. kobe should go back to faking food poisoning.
     
  3. Visagial

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    I definitely think there's some racial bias. It seems like you can get hints of it by the way all the players talk and their need to say "it's not close" etc. They're doing more than comparing the two, they're taking a swipe at Yao. If Amare were Chinese, it seems like Kobe and Shaq wouldn't be nearly so chummy with him.
     
  4. DreamWeaver

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    So you are suggesting that Yao is an overnight sensation because he is a Chinese.....
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    If you want the flashy superstar then Amare is your man. If you want a ring then Ming is your man. It's as simple as that.
     
  6. rocketfan83

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    he is basically doing what stoudamire yaos doing just a little bit better. But yao has 3 commericals voted into the all star game he obviously didnt deserve to start. He is getting more pub cuz hes chineese and it is not because hes averging like .2 pts more than stoudamire. If they switched races you think yao would still getting this amount of pub? no way sorry. im not trying to bash yao but you just gotta be realistic
     
  7. gotoloveit2

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    Wang Zhi Zhi is from China too. Where was the excitement?
     
  8. gotoloveit2

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    Here are some of the reasons.
    He is freaking 7' 5" that moves like a forward. He is humorous, charming, NOT to mention his humility. He is very talented for his size, possessing many skills. And he is from China, a very nice refreshment instead of the cockiness commonly seen in NBA today.
     
  9. rocketfan83

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    Think of it this way lets assume Yao wins ROY. Last 10 ROY's. These guys w/ MAYBE the exception of Shaq did not get the attention Yao has gotten. Every single one of these guys clearly had better ROY seasons.( exception mike miller) But didnt get the attention Yaos gotten. Why? be unbiased and its pretty obvious


    1992-93 - Shaquille O'Neal, Orlando
    1993-94 - Chris Webber, Golden State
    1994-95 - Grant Hill, Detroit (tie), Jason Kidd, Dallas
    1995-96 - Damon Stoudamire, Toronto
    1996-97 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
    1997-98 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
    1998-99 - Vince Carter, Toronto
    1999-00 - Elton Brand, Chicago (tie), Steve Francis, Houston
    2000-01 - Mike Miller, Orlando
    2001-02 - Pau Gasol, Memphis
     
  10. munco

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    It's not only because he's Chinese. In general he's unlike any other player in the league. I think it's a combo of the following...
    -He's 7'5"
    -He's Chinese
    -His personality
    -His skills

    The guy is 7 foot 5 and has about as different a personality as any NBA player. Being Chinese helps his popularity, but he's not only popular in China and not only popular among the Chinese.

    Amare's game has been seen many a time before. The kid could be awesome, but he's very reminiscent of Shawn Kemp and Kenyon Martin. He plays hard and aggressive and is very athletic. However, he just seems like so many other players I've seen before. I'm not saying Yao is better or Amare, but Yao is a freak and I mean that in a good way. To see a 7'5" guy that has his type of SKILLS is scary.



     
  11. crash5179

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    The key word in that quote is future.

    Amare might be a hall of famer that is recognized as the greatest PF of all time when his career is done but as of right now he is not even top five at his own position.
     
  12. crash5179

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    Jay Williams is a waste of a draft pick he sucks.

    Now if I could have parlayed the number 1 pick into Amare and Butler I would have to at least think about it.

    Of course in the end Yao Ming will create mismatches similar to Shaq and regardless of how good Amare or Butler will become no one can say that about them.

    So you could offer me Jay, Caron and Amare and I would still turn it down.
     
  13. DreamWeaver

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    It's not so obvious to me. Why don't you tell me why a Chinese BBall player becomes so hugely popular in less than six month?
    :rolleyes:
     
  14. munco

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    It's not only because he's Chinese. In general he's unlike any other player in the league. I think it's a combo of the following...
    -He's 7'5"
    -He's Chinese
    -His personality
    -His skills


     
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    Not many teams that I can think of. Only two:

    Spurs with Duncan as their Power Forward

    Bullets with Elvin Hayes as their Power Forward.

    Thats all I can think of.
     
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    It is not easy to compare two guys with totally different styles.

    Obviously Amare is quicker, more explorsive, better at rebounding right now;

    And Ming is a better shooter, passer and playmaker.

    The common ground is that they both love bball and play with passion. (lack of some aggressiveness doesn't indicate that Ming plays game with less passion. Actually Ming is improving his agreesiveness considerably recently.)

    So talking about ROY, I would say it depends on their performance in the rest of the regular season.

    talking about the future, absoutly I vote for Ming.

    BTW, people always mention that ming is not in pre-season training camp at the beginning of this season. Ming's performance cools this topic off. but it reveals that Ming does have a huge potential and can be much better next year.
     
  17. sun12

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    As good as Amare is, he is 6'10" or shorter, that has to be a disadvantage when he faces KG, Dirk, Duncan.
     
  18. rocketfan83

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    It is obvious to every fan of the NBA and obvious to every non-biased rocket fan. he only has stats of only 1 ROY in the last decade. And Amare probaly has had a bigger impact or atleast the same impact as yao on his team. It is not hard to think why. He is getting popular by the media b/c hes chineese.the media is how you get popular. Hes doing just a tad better than amare. but yao is 100X popular because of his race. Its not about personality or any other of that BS this is not a dating show. most americans dont even know yao speaks english. so how are people sold on his personality??? If you think yao desereves the attention your blind. he is getting everything because of his race. Yes his talent will back it up eventually but today hes deserved no commericals no starting spot in the all star game. there are several players that have accomplished much more than yao but have far less attention
    (dirk Duncan payton ) i could go on and on. now is it obvious???
    other opinions?
     
  19. sun12

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    Before anybody saying something like this, you'd better use stats to back it up. I saw this impact word thrown around without any facts attached on it. Better check the fact.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-19-rookies_x.htm
     
  20. DreamWeaver

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    I think you are the one with the bias. Yao is not the only Chinese player in NBA and certainly not the first Chinese to come to the US. If you choose to believe that his race is the primary reason for his huge popularity, you are sadly mistaken.

    BTW, I am not Chinese or Black. I think my opinion is about as objective as they come. And you Sir, please fix the cap key on your keyboard. ;)
     

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