Am I the only one that thinks the Knicks aren't crazy ?

Which player has Morey treated badly? We traded T-Mac to the team he wanted even after he erroneously accused our FO of holding hi out for insurance money. We let Parsons out of his contract. Yao loves the Rockets. Ariza and AB both came back to us. Francis came back. Rockets don't treat players poorly. Don't confuse willingness to trade a player with mistreating a player.

 

A) Buyout - The buyout amount remains on your cap. I highly doubt that Melo accepts a small enough buyout to make the cap hit less than Leonard's contract even. If Melo wanted to win that badly over money + New York life, then he wouldn't have re-signed. In any case, with reports of Melo preferring Houston over Cleveland, this gives the New York little leverage in negotiation with Houston.

B) Keep him - Parking Melo on the bench is not going to fly with current and future free agents around the league.

a) Opt out - It's a losing gamble to bet on Melo wanting to win over money + New York life at this point. If New York can make Melo opt out of $28 mil, then wasting only one year of rebuilding may be a decent option, but they can't. It's playing Russian roulette with a six-shooter and five b) bullets.
b) Opt in - New York wastes two years of rebuilding and takes on $26 + $28 mil of cap hit. That's much worse than even taking on $10 mil x3 of cap hit and getting a young player they want back, let alone in a 4-team deal where New York doesn't take back Leonard.​

New York has very little leverage; Morey doesn't have to beat a lot. That's why New York is asking Melo for more leverage. Unfortunately for New York, they have very little leverage in asking Melo for leverage. Melo is the one with almost all the power because he doesn't mind staying: He can opt in, he can decline every buyout, and he can veto every trade. The dude was quite content living in New York and collecting a large paycheck without winning or rebuilding. New York had to beg Melo even to let them try to find an out with Houston or Cleveland.

Now they have finally gotten Melo sold on playing for Houston, they think they have gained a little leverage in asking for Melo for leverage. Melo's response ought to be, "I'll tell you what. That's enough. Get it done this week, or forget it and let's move forward together for the next two years as I've originally envisioned. My family and I have had enough drama and uncertainty with this. It was hard convincing myself to leave the New York life behind for Houston anyway."

 

This knicks team passed on Dennis Smith jr, whom some analysts are saying can win rookie of the year! Now the Rockets have to deal with this guy 4 times a year in our division with the Mavs for the next 10 years plus.

This knicks team is as crazy as they are dumb!

 

Yeah, the ones that don't have no trade clauses lmao.

 

right..they get you oladipo.

 

Houston with melo is a better team top to bottem when you factor in the complimentary pieces.

Cp3/harden/melo

Surrounded by Ariza and Capela in the starting lineup.... fits perfect if they all sacrifice and by in and are all about winning.

Then you still have tucker who is perfect off the bench to play both forward spots and provide major flexibility against the warriors.

You have Gordon off the bench who is a starting caliber player I can argue strongly that he's even a top 50 player as underrated in defense and plays well off ball with stars.

Nene is fantastic backup center he has starter talent but only in 15-20 min spurts he's just old.

The Cavs has Lebron kyrie love. If you include melo it's Nice with triston starting at center who I don't believe is better than Capela.

But that Cavs bench is old and bad with no defensive flexibility.

In fact the staring lineup with the Cavs is terrible defensively.

Melo and love guarding draymond green and KD or klay is terrible terrible idea.

In houston melo gets to score and get the easiest defensive assignment because he'll always be playing with either Ariza or tucker who can switch onto either foward spots.

Rockets have a nice team just need to swap Anderson for melo the team symmetry fits on both sides.

Hands down this is the best defensive team MDA has ever coached.

 

Yeah, and they would've to trade Love or their starting center with their only decent bench guy (Shumpert) to get Melo anyway...which would make them far from perfect or good enough.

 

I'm starting to think that the Knicks should take Anderson and the little extra cap space. They can always trade Anderson down the road. He's a stretch 4 that will probably gain value by playing somewhere outside of Houston. His shooting percentages will go back up, people will see his post game again and know he's versatile. He'll space the floor for Kristaps and Hardaway. To me, he makes sense in New York because you'll be able to move him again if need be, but he'll get the new era off to a good start. I think the Knicks make the playoffs with Ryan on their squad. Good teammate, veteran, smart player, good shooter. Why not? They are not winning a chip with the current roster anyway.

 

A Knicks fan posted that they will be in-rebuilding mode for 3 years anyway, so they don't want to be good. Being mediocre is the least they want at this point. They want younger pieces with flexibility.

 

Good point.

We are in a much better position at this point, so we can't act so desperate. Even if we don't get Melo, so what. We are still a very good basketball team. The risk is on them. If Morey acts like many of Yall so desperate, that's what the Knick GM want so they can extract more.

 

In a game of chicken, Morey definitely comes up on top and if there is anything we know about Morey, it's that he can / will wait. It's Knicks honestly that can't afford to wait long.

 

Have you spent much time observing the Knicks?

 

Name me one star not named Dwight Howard that's publicly said a SINGLE bad thing about how Daryl Morey treated him. Your take on this is so full of crap. There isn't a single organization that treats ALL of their players equally.....that would be idiotic. But when it comes to stars, and the way the Rockets treat their players in general, all anybody has to say is that they are a first class organization. FOH.

 

Knicks are not Crazy but they are Greedy. They are just like rest of the self entitled brats that live in the hip neighborhoods of Manhattan and Brooklyn. Just because they are the Knicks they deserve to get anything they want. Reality will eventually sink in and they'll realize they are a joke of a franchise. I feel for Melo I really do. He wanted to be in NYC. He loves this city. His wife loves the city. I've cooked their dinner countless times in the city and they are both a)generous as in also good tippers b)just pleasant people. How the Knicks deal with this situation is going to either make them or break them. If the Knicks screw Melo out of his preferred destination they will turn into Dallas. The organization begging for free agents to consider them. Heck if they want to live in NyC the players can still play for the Nets now.

 

Well let's see.

1) The Knicks tried like hell to get Melo to waive his NTC so they could move him out.

2) Videos surface of the Knicks front office laughing at Melo working out.

3) The Knicks trade away THJ only to offer him an albatross of a contract without a GM in place.

[Melo states that he is willing to waive his NTC for Cleveland or Houston. Cleveland do not appear to be aggressive buyers and Houston offers Ryan Anderson.]

4) The Knicks state they don't want Ryno- this is the only non-crazy thing on this list.

[Morey works his butt off to invoke other teams so the Knicks don't have to take Ryno. Reports are all teams and players are happy.]

6) It is strongly rumored that both sides have leaked to players that it is a done deal. This is backed by NY insider reports, Nene-Gate, Melo house hunting runors, and Houston players/coaches' tounge-in-cheek comments concerning Melo.

7) NY begins their "culture-change" campaign. Many on social media look at the front office's comments as very thinly veiled shots at Melo (culture of youth, unselfishness, blah blah).

8) At the last second the front office takes Melo off the trading block reportedly drawing the ire of the other teams involved and likely drawing the ire of Melo as well. Whether it's a players or owners league, they managed to anger both!

9) The Knicks then ask Melo to stay despite numbers 1, 2 and 7 above.

10) The Knicks also ask him to expand his list of destinations (despite number 9 above... doesn't really add legtimicacy to "we want you here claims).

11) Reports leaks that the Knicks believe that by holding on to Melo it's possible his trade value could increase (not understanding the concepts of no trade clause and relative value).

Now many many of these things are stupid in isolation, but when you look at all of them added up you have to begin questioning sanity. Yes, not taking on Ryno's contract is a very smart move. He is an extra year of salary they don't want or need. But literally everything before and after that has been beyond dumb. The team does have some leverage. If not, he'd be a Rocket (or more likely a Cav) right now. He's not an unrestricted FA. But they think they have way more leverage than they do or that they have more than Melo or the Rockets. Sadly, they are only pissing people off and making themselves look foolish (especially considering number 6 and 7 above) when trying to flex what little power they do have.

Pulling out feels like a power move that backfired rather than doing due dillegence with a new GM (especially given they already made a huge move with no GM and the fact that other teams were reportedly upset).

PS. I didn't even mention the stupid franchise-handicapping contract they gave Melo in the first place because I'm trying to limit the insanity to just this offseason.

 

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The Knicks just fired their GM and thought to themselves, "We need to bring in someone who can build a culture of success and winning. Is the Assistant GM of the Sacramento Kings available?"

Yeah. I'd say they're definitely crazy.

 

So true Don Grahamleone.

I've posted how Ryan Anderson (in16/17) was:
68.8 in NBA percentile in PnR as the Roll-Man (freq 17.7%). Better than Melo 27.5 NBA percentile.
67.4 in NBA percentile in Transition (freq 14.9%). Better than Melo 19.7 NBA percentile.
67.5 in NBA percentile in Cuts (freq 3.4%). Better than Melo 59.7 percentile.
86.6 in NBA percentile in Offscreens (freq 7.3). Better than Melo 67.5 percentile.

Throw in 42.7% from "Catch-n-Shoot 3's"....all 5 category stats go well with the Knicks Triangle Offense.

Porzingis-Ryno-Hardaway working the Triangle.......with Courtney Lee ready for catch-n-shoot on the weak side.

They dont need to worry about defense since they won't be facing or beating the Cavs or Warriors any time soon.

 

In my opinion, they should abandon the triangle. Your best player is a center/pf and the triangle works best when you have pick setting centers and power forwards. I would probably play a high post offense or play what works best for Kristaps.