Am I the only one that thinks the Knicks aren't crazy ?

The rush is that the return value for Melo will just continue to decrease, especially if the current teams willing to deal decide not to. Like I said before, I don't mind personally that the new GM takes a couple of days to look things over. It's only if it becomes long term or they decide to follow through with a power move that they would truly crap their bed. I specifically said earlier, taking a bit of time to perform due diligence is smart. Playing chicken however, goes far beyond that.

 

Pacers situation is different. Melo has a NTC, which makes this a 2 horse race.

 

But what is the deal? You think it's the Knicks holding it up. If no one else wants Meyers Leonard, either why do we have to take him lol? It's like a Ponzi scheme trade. Who gets left holding the bad contract.

 

The point is that taking their time and waiting a few more days (or whatever), could not possibly hurt them. The only people it hurts is the thirsty F5 smashers here lmao.

 

By itself, it's not a bad contract. I think the hold up is that Knicks don't want BOTH Harkless and Leonard's contracts.

 

It would hurt them if the third/fourth team drops out and Knicks end up with a less favorable trade, which is what WOULD happen in a 2 horse race. The reason Pacers lost out is because the PG13 sweepstakes was open to the entire league. The Pacers actually had some leverage there and squandered it.

 

They definitely want Harkless's contract. They definitely don't want Leonard's contract. It is the players attached to those contracts that is the sticking point. You keep saying that he is a good young talent that can hit 3's and such. Shouldn't teams be salivating at the thought of adding this guy on?

 

Not really. In that case they could always go the buyout route. I know nobody here wants to believe it, but the Knicks have options. They don't have to take the pu-pu platter that is being shoved down their throats.

 

yep. His value could depreciate due to his age, but it could appreciate when he becomes an expiring contract. And a buyout next year is much better cap wise than now. We really don't have to trade him for sake of trading him.

 

Good point. Also keep in mind all the shannagins Melo went through with Phil embarrassing him on twitter & to the media. NY's already looking bad to other superstar players. To hold Melo hostage KNOWING he doesn't want to play there would be the icing on the cake. The Knicks are just being petty by holding up the trade

 

Well, blaming your media as well ... you rolled red carpet out him, it was a home-coming, lots of expectations. But I don't think you really think it through and had a long term plan besides adding more star power. That's what fans want and that's what the media wants. But when things weren't turning out the way it was expected, then all hell broken loose. After all it is New York. So entering Marbury, Stoudmare, Melo, Rose ... and exiting Marbury, Stoudmare, Melo ... with no future and wasted 15 years also.

 

I never said he was a good talent just that he was young and can still improve. There's a huge difference there. At the very least he can shoot threes, which makes him still somewhat useful even if he never improves.

 

NYC already refused a buyout otherwise neither parties would at this point. Like I said knicks can pull a power move but it's a universal truth among gms not to do that for a reason; you don't hold stars hostage.

 

What kind of reasoning is that? They already refused a buyout so therefore they can't change their minds? Phil Jackson refused a buyout. The new GM hasn't refused anything.

 

Stars net you back more than Meyers Leonard or Ryan Anderson.

It's all about business and trade values. Don't think there is a "moral" standard among NBA GMs.

 

I don't believe NYK have much leverage, if any...

Their leverage is that they have A chip to trade...that wants out lol

Carmelo has more say in the trade than the Knicks do. He gets to pick his team, the Rockets have more leverage because they're the team he picked. I understand they don't want Ryan Anderson or whatever Ryan Anderson can net from a 3rd team...but that's the market. The cavs offer of ex-Knicks and black Ryan Anderson (Frye) isn't much more appealing.

Signing Hardaway lessened their leverage ever so much.

I don't blame them for waiting for a better deal or looking for one....I just don't think it's there.

 

They refused a buyout because Melo's contract is too big. That won't change with a new GM. IMO, buying out Melo is the 2nd worst thing they can do.

 

Stars with NTC that they are only willing to waive for 2 teams do not net you much in return.

 

Stars don't just net you back Ryan Anderson when whole bunch other guys not named CP3 and Harden are also available.
Look, I don't think they are that stupid, so we should stop treating them as such and bend backwards to justify it.

 

Morey treats most of his players badly didn't stop cp3 from coming here. Basically unless you are Harden you are probably getting traded.