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Alpi, Amen, and Green are the core of the core of the core

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Houston77, Jan 10, 2025.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    We can't even celebrate the trio without being inundated about Green.

    When @fchowd0311 said that many people won't be able to celebrate with us because they dug their heels in so deep, he was right. This thread is really the first big instance of it happening.

    "Do you really think I don't want Green to do well and I won't be happy?"

    For many, it's a yes.
     
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  2. roslolian

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    The other guy is saying all the stats point out to him being the worst in his career. I was just correcting that. If he didnt post wrong stuff like Green is shooting career worst then I wouldnt be posting correcting him.

    "Very inefficient" doesnt really apply to what Jalen is doing for example 33.7% 3 pt is below the average of 35%...but thats not very inefficient, very inefficient would be 30% or lower IMO. If we consider average to be a C then that would be C-. Same thing with TS the average TS% for an SG is 57%, he is now 54%. I dont think 3% diff from average counts as very inefficient. I guess if you want to be pedantic D+ is the same C-, but regardless what letter grade it is don't tell me 33.7% from 3 is something extremely horrible. Kobe Bryant for example is a career 32.9% from 3 I dont think people go around saying he can't shoot.

    Very inefficient would be Sheppard's NBA stats 28% from 3 and 41% TS. That's very inefficient not 33% from 3 and 54% TS lol. Just have some perspective and you wont have people trying to correct amirite?

    Of course these are all averages right? Jalen rarely has an average performance he is either super hot or super cold. He has been pretty good for thr last ~10 games so I think thats a relevant percentage when team has only played 30 or so games. Historically Jalen has picked it up after ASB so if the pattern holds true he'll be even better and actually break into the average-above average tier.

    Fun fact Jalen and Sengun are now both scoring at identical TS%. So not sure why people are still hating on Green like he is somehow dragging the team down. He isnt our best player but he isnt the worst either, in fact he has led us to wins numerous times already and he more than holds his own on defense.
     
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  3. AlperenSengun

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    again, even it was his worst or best, those numbers are statistically identical. They are so close that the order is not meaningful. That’s why I didn’t even bother to point out that those stats were not precise.
     
  4. OremLK

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    Not to split hairs too much, but the league average 3P% for shooting guards is actually 36.9%
     
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    That's exactly where I got the stats from, it's quite possible it hadn't been updated at that time.

    It wasn't long ago that both Green & FVV were below .300. Fred was down as low as .270. Jalen has had a good stretch of games to bring his numbers back in line with the career averages.


    Currently it shows .336 for the season & .337 for his career.

    That would rank as the 2nd worst with last years .332 being worst, his rookie season .343 best and year two 2nd best .338.

    Rookie .343
    2nd year .338
    3rd year .332
    This year .336


    Not a whole lot of variance.
     
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    League wide is 35.9%

    Adding in centers & forwards only bringing down the total 1%. I'd have thought it would be more.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    At the end of the day what matters is his impact as a player and has that improved over his 3.25 years in the league?

    BPM by year:
    Rookie: -2.9
    2nd : -2.1
    3rd : -0.5
    4th. : 0.5

    And he usually ups his BPM in the second half of all his seasons so expect that number to slowly move up for this season as it progresses.
     
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  8. roslolian

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    Theres only 4 season sample size man, saying "2nd worst" or w/e is stretching it to make it worse than it really is.

    The point is his stats arent trending downwards or "the worst" as you said before, it fact it has been trending upwards because he hasnt even had his post ASB glow up which seems to happen annually.

    You can see the effect of playing better and better defense on Sengun's FG. There's not a lot of variance means Jalen is becoming better at scoring given he is defending better.
     
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  9. roslolian

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    Its not about the stats its the thought that Jalen is performing worse and his stats are trending down when the reality is they are trending up even with him playing the best defense of his career.
     
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    The first part is actually very sad to me. I'm really disappointed in Sengun this year and it's significantly altered my opinion of him and his future as a player.
     
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    My point is as you said in your other post, the second worst etc. is meaningless with these numbers. I don’t see an upward trend though.
     
  12. roslolian

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    Look at the last 10 games.
     
  13. HardenReturns

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    This means you don't see the whole picture.
     
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    You just made me think of the AirBnB commercial with Nick Saban
     
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    This is the equivalent of arguing if your kid got 70 on the test of 71 when most of his classmates got 80s and 90s. It's kind of pointless regardless. Now, if you have evidence that Jalen this year will definitely make a leap up to at least league average efficiency if not better, then that would actually be poignant.
     
  16. OremLK

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    It's been disappointing on offense, but I'm pleased with his progress on defense and rebounding. I still don't think he's anywhere near being a top defensive center, but he is a top 10 rebounding center, and I think he's at least answered very well the concerns that he might be unplayable on defense.

    The scoring is really the biggest concern, I'm disappointed that he's regressed in that area. But let's keep in mind that it's still less than half a season of sample to look at. I always try to avoid knee-jerking too much one direction or the other. Usually a player showing sudden explosive growth is just in a hot streak, and a player showing a sudden major decline is just in a slump. Things tend to regress back toward whatever the norm is for any given player, plus a little or a lot of growth for the younger guys depending on the player, or a little or a lot of decline for the older ones.

    As with JG, let's see how things play out the rest of the season before we start drawing too firm of conclusions.
     
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    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/t...rters&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS
     
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  18. RudyTBag

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    JG’s shot diet of Amen initiated fast breaks (TEMPO) and Alperen double team kickouts (Halfcourt) are starting to get him into a nice rhythm going into crunch time, where he has looked super confident. Lately, JG is never bored and always a threat, moving his ass off-ball and in transition.

    It feels like we have stumbled onto our own little version of Steph/Klay/Draymond.

    I don’t understand any Houston “fan” that isn’t beyond freaking stoked. This team is so damn enjoyable, so enjoy them! Remember the season when Yao and Tracy went down and Juwan Howard was our go-to guy?!?!
     
  19. OremLK

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    I think you're completely misreading the sentiment in this thread. The sentiment largely isn't "he's playing well and I'm not happy about it". The sentiment is "his numbers haven't actually improved over his career averages yet and I don't trust this hot streak he's currently on to continue, but I hope it does". I think you'll see a lot of people come around (not everyone) if he finishes the season having shown substantial improvement on offense over the last one.

    Also basically everyone is giving him credit for his defensive improvements.
     
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  20. Purvis2Short

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    If Sengun doesn't improve with his defense
     

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