Alpi, Amen, and Green are the core of the core of the core

Players worry about job security normally when they are at the tail end of their careers, or have a n injury history.

If a player really believes himself and doesn’t think he’s getting a fair value, he will opt for a shorter contract. Of course we’ve seen it backfired for some players. But I don’t think Jalen will be one of them, or at least I hope not, for all our sakes.

 

I’m talking about his next contract after the extension

 

I agree thats why I believe Rox offered him a smaller deal on longer years and Green said he is willing to take the shorter deal if he gets a little more salary.

Jalen contract is a win win for both parties. Rockets dont fully trust Jalen so they got him locked on just 3 yrs and can kick the can down the road and Jalen got a player option so in case he sucks he can get 2 more years at the same overpaid rate OR go out early and make more money. Both parties are able to hedge against risk.

 

We will see. Right now I think he is overpaid at 33M I mean ask people is Derick White, Tyler Herro or Jalen Green better value very few will say JG.

 

Leading scorer on a team that’s #2 in the West and #3 in the entire league, who has improved almost all areas of his game, and is only 22 years old? No, I don’t think he’s over paid.

 

See this is where we don’t agree. Negotiation is a game of gain some and lose some.

Jalen wants a shorter deal so he can get more money sooner (after his extension ends). I think we both agree with that. Right?

So what does he have to lose? Getting more money? I would do that deal all day everyday. LOL

 

What does age have to do with it? The no 2 seed is a team accomplishment, Green is just one cog of that Rockets machine.

Again just compare him to DWhite and Tyler Herro. Those 2 are the standard for a 30M contract. You compare him to players making the same money.

 

Jalen wanted the max at 5 yrs, he doesnt want 33M for 3 yrs. So Jalen didnt get more money than he wanted, he agreed to be paid less to take on a shorter deal and bet on himself rather than take the low ball 5 yr deal Rox presumably offered.

Are you honestly telling me if Stone offered Green a 5 yr max Green would say "no bro make that a 3 yr max so I can make more money"? Why other max free agents didnt do that? why didnt Cade, Mobley, Barnes and Wagner tell their teams make it a 3 yr deal so they can make more money? You are the only one insisting Green wanted shorter years.

Green doesnt want less year he wants more years. If he can sign a 15 yr max deal he would do it immediately. The only reason he took less years is to bet on himself and get more money cuz the Rockets didnt offer him the amount he wanted. This isnt Rocket science.

Look Green even took a player option right? If he wants a shorter deal no matter what why did he take a player option? According to you he is the one who wants a shorter contract no matter what so why would he even want a player option that just extends his contract? I bet that player option is the reason he makes 5M less than Sengun.

 

Paid less is relative to the “low ball” Rox offer. So you now agree that 33m is less than the original Rox 5 year offer? That has been my point all along.

 

No your point is Jalen took more money as salary to get his preferred 3 yr contract which makes zero sense. Why would the Rox lowball offer be more than what Jalen is making now? You understand what lowball means right? Lowball means so low Jalen wont accept so how will the new deal be even lower than Stone's lowball offer? Makes zero sense.

Look at it from both party POV. Jalen wants the most money for the most years and Stone wants the least money for most years. If Jalen was the boss he would make 42M for 5 yrs and if Stone was the boss Jalen would make 3M for 5 years. You understand this yes or no?

So they compromise Jalen gets middle money for less years and both parties can negotiate again down the road and/or Jalen gets traded.

Jalen: I want 42/5 yrs
Stone: I will give 25/5 yrs
Jalen: No way I want max
Stone: You cant have max you havent proved you worth it
Jalen: Ok I will settle for 33M instead of the 42M I wanted but make it 3 yrs with 2 yr player option
Stone: Ok deal

The new deal is a middle ground between what Jalen wanted (42M) and Stone's LOWBALL offer (lets say 25M). 33M is between these two it cant be less than Stones lowball offer that makes zero sense.

 

Age has everything to do with it. You don’t think a 22 yo still has big room to grow and improve? And he’s not just a cog. He’s the leading scorer and won us quite a few games already. Don’t sell him short like that.

 

We are talking about whether he is overpaid or not this year his potential is in the future not now.

again compare him to Tyler Herro and DWhite those also won games for their team. That is the standard for a 30M player.

 

No that was your point. You believe Rox offered him 28m/5y.

My point is Rox offered him similar to Sengun’s contract. Then they settled on less money but shorter deal.

 

He’s not making 33m this year, is he? Does his extension not start to kick in in the future?

 

What is your proof of this though? Why will their initial offer start at what they negotiated with Sengun? They value Sengun more than Jalen.

So you think after Sengun and the Rockets agreed on his salary Stone used Sengun's salary as his lowball offer to Jalen? Cmon man. Thats sounds ridiculous even to the most die hard Jalen fan.

 

We are talking about a theoretical discussion if Jalen was a free agent today right? You are insisting he would be paid more than his 33M salary.

 

I don’t have any proof of course. But neither do you. What’s your proof that they value Sengun more than Green?

The original Rox offer may or may not be 38m, but it’s higher than the 33m they settled on for sure. Do you agree?

 

No

 

No I dont agree thats not how negotiations work.

When you negotiate the final price has to be in the middle of what both parties want. Thats how compromise works. The final price cant be lower than the buyer initial offer and it cant be higher than the initial selling offer.

Suggest you read how negotiations and bargaining works.

We know Green wants 42M right? So Stone offer whatever it is is lower than 33M. If his offer was 38M how did it go to 33M? Green said i want 42M, Stone said I will give you 38M, Green said no, give me 33M?????

LOL WTF! Sorry but Green isnt dumb to ask for lower than what Stone offered him.

Also it is common knowledge Rockets value Sengun more than Green. Who was in trade talks last year Sengun or Green? Green was even almost traded for Mikal Bridges. Who are Rockets targeting in trades? Oh yeah perimeter scorers who do what Green does like Booker. Rox have said Amen and Sengun are untouchable. Have they said Green is untouchable?

 

That was what I said when you replied to me. Look it up.