Probably true but it comes with many caveats. I think ability to acquire skills, to learn to use your talents, capacity and drive to learn, improve and win is very much excluded from those ceilings. That's why every year you see a lot of players who are projected to be the next somebody based on their physical and athletic talents but almost none of them get there. With Sengun, we already know, at the age of 20, he has the intangible skills that i mentioned with a huge basketball iq. That's why I project him to raise his defense to a passable level. And with offense, he basically never had to do any ball handling or shooting. That's where i see the untapped potential. It is not like he tried but cannot shoot. He simply is just starting to do those. So I find, he is probably close to his ceiling take, too simplistic in that sense. He might be, but I would give it two years before making that statement.
Sengun isn’t a finished product physically. Jabari is a lot closer athletically to Alp than Green. Alp skillset still has a lot of meat left on the bone, shooting, positioning, handles are all things that can improve. I know you want to defend Green, I get it. But that’s no reason to back hand compliment one of the best young talents in the league.
It's not a backhanded compliment. It's an explanation of why NBA analysts rank Green and Jabari ahead of Sengun in terms of assets.
Using one or two examples isn’t a consensus. Draft status highly influences some of these pundits. There are some that think Alp has a higher ceiling. We will see how it pans out
You can only assess when they have a decent shooting coach, every one of them has not been shooting up to standard.
Given more minutes and bigger role, he will put up better numbers. He could probably still add a thing, I also think we have seen most of his arsenal.
This ceiling and floor proverbs are just there to entertain people. Either the player breaks out or he doesn't. Otherwise he is just a role player. Alperen is a vastly different player type than KPJ or Green, I hope he can add a shot and some defensive counters as well. Who has a slightly higher ceiling talk doesn't necessarily benefit the team. We need real action, real trades now.
Remember Ayton has a higher ceiling than Luka because he was many times more athletic and also Luka was already a finished product. I think one thing I have really learned about the NBA is that great players show it within the first 2-3 seasons. It's actually quite rare for players to breakout beyond that point, and when they do breakout it's not because they had superb athleticism, it's more because they are hard workers and hustles their ass off.
If the players cant or wont play around Al-P, they need to be traded/shipped off for players that can. Maybe head honcho can come into the game in stints where Al-P goes to the bench and he can play the Daishen Nix role. Jalen needs to either decide to give a **** on defense or he can come off the bench with honcho. Sengun-Martin-Jabari are winning players. Eason-Tate can be as well but either raw or limited. Jalen is the question mark right now. I don't care if he scores 30 or 8 at this point. I want to see defensive effort from him. If he doesn't want to put in any then I'd consider packaging him for a draft pick to get Alabama's Miller or Jarace Walker (who is probably a better Scottie Barnes). I'm done with this two-headed fiasco at the guard spot that is engaged defensively only when they "get theirs".
They have a knack for figuring out what needs to be shored up in order for the coach to be convinced your weaknesses are offset and then some by what you also bring to the table. So it is a bit of an awareness, and work ethic that I think helps overcome this. The most important early weakness is usually foul trouble. If you can't defend without fouling... your butt isn't getting consistent minutes either way. Great players learn how the hell to stay on the damn floor first and foremost. Sengun has improved there for sure. Now it's taking it to the next step to being able to defend at a more effective level, and being able to help without leaving a man wide open. Alot of that is coaching and poor perimeter D too that leaves him looking like the one who can't switch fast enough. I just think either way, Sengun will have a big Summer ahead, and I look forward to seeing how he can physically mature a bit, and maybe gain some lateral quickness to be a bit more mobile defensively. Improved coaching, improved perimeter D, and Sengun getting in the gym this Summer alot.... we might have something... we'll see.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/markkla01.html Watch that dude, broke out in his 6th year. Never knew he dunked that much before either. Surroundings and environments.
This is totally correct and why I am so confident in Sengun and very much concerned about Jalen Green. Jabari still TBD but he's showing some more comfort.
I’m still not on board with “franchise player” but if people need it to feel better about the rebuild then have at it. I think franchise players have a certain consistency to them. It’s not all of Sengun’s fault that he was getting few minutes but hopefully an expanded role can prove he is a franchise player.
He had a great end of the season which has clearly not translated over into this season, save for a few spurts. Was hoping for more consistency. And I'm only talking star potential. I obviously believe Jalen will be a quality rotation player at the bare minimum, but I think there's some concerns about his future as a potential Top 20-type player.
And his teammates were feeding him most of their shots after the All Star break. Understandable, he had the hammy injury and folks wanted him to cook.
He was quite promising for a while there. But every came undone this season when he can't hit jump shots nor is he finishing better than before. I feel like his hotstreak last year hinged upon his superb 3 point shooting.
Why is the focus on Sengun to be the one to develop a 3 to stop other teams from packing the paint? Of course he needs to develop a 3, but it wouldn’t be a problem if our “shooters” could hit better than 30% on open shots.
and pick up a Trigger Happy Balll dominant 2 guard . .. while giving away 3 starters? Let's not do that again! Rocket River
