Jeremy's achievement was that he started out a marginal player, then exploded and then faded. His team won a chip in the end. His talent lvl wasn't high but he made the most out of it.
I don't think you need to convince me about Jeremy Lin being good. No one thinks that. I just think Jalen is closer to Jeremy Lin than being a star. Which was my point. Both had amazing stretches but both just aren't franchise level players.
Lol yeah that is good question, marginal I would say, Jalen doesn't have the IQ and ballhandling, shooting and Jerry lacked the hops, speed and skills. Jalen doesn't admit his flaws, very dumb.
Jalen Green is absolutely a better ball handler than any form of Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin also didn't have that great ball IQ. And Jeremy Lin relied on his above average first step and acceleration to get by in the NBA. Dude was notorious for stopping his dribble easily for a PG hence why Harden became the defacto pg when in theory Jeremy Lin was supposed to be pg as the smaller guard and worse shooter but Harden just had significantly better handles and better IQ than Lin so it just made more sense for harden to be the defacto lead guard. Jeremy Lin had more strength which is probably the only attribute he is better at than Green. Do people forget Lin's game? Because he's Asian they assume his game was "high IQ"? I remember at the time people at this perception without seeing any of Lin's games and then seeing him play finally and realizing "oh wow, the dude really relies on his athleticism to get by in the league ". This is why he couldn't make it back to the league after his injuries because without that above league average acceleration he doesn't belong in the league. But he was Asian so people couldn't fathom an Asian dude being in the league because of his above league average athleticism.
Achieved what? I simply said he acheived multiple great games in his career relative to Lin. You also said given the “time and opportunity it would been very similar”. Similar means he would have to match Green’s numbers in most if not all categories in these great games and Lin simply did not throughout his career. I highlighted points to compare the level or ability of the players throughout their careers since you said Lin had the ability but not opportunity and was further hindered by Harden the next year, which has no basis. Again Lin did not have the same amount of great games Green has had in their respective careers. Just having a 10 assist games doesn’t necessarily mean he had an overall better game.
I am not discounting Lin’s talent. All professional basketball players have talent to get to the level they are at. The individual I responded to argued about opportunity and how Lin never received the opportunity otherwise he would put up numbers similar to Green in these great games in his career. This is simply not true as Lin did not achieve these heights given 32 min a game for 82 games the very next year. If Lin is a great offensive talent then that would have shown even playing alongside Harden since Lin split ball handling responsibilities and had plenty of opportunities to score on isos and high screens.
Off the top. Jalen Green clearly has more talent/potential than Lin ever did. Now to your post. How is the bolded part not true? Minutes does not equal opportunity. Time of possession and field goal attempts are the two things that give players opportunity. Jalen has had more of that in each of his first 3 seasons than Lin ever did.
The premise was Harden took away opportunities from Lin. Looking at the numbers you mentioned does not necessarily prove the premise to be factual. There could be numerous factors that caused Lin to not shoot as many FGA or had time of possession such as his inability to get into his spots or getting into the paint. Using your logic you can compare Lin to any starting player in the league with more FGA than Lin then. And Just having less FGA doesn’t mean Harden took away his FG’s. There simply is no direct link. The person also argued Lin played mostly off ball. Again not true. He shared touches with Harden as a pg/combo guard.
Ya Lin was not a off ball player at all. Most of the Harden Lin backcourt offense was "my turn/your turn" offense with Harden having more turns simply because was was flat out better with his turns.
If Jalen Green was the “other” guard playing next to a Harden level player he wouldn’t be getting 16-18 shots per game. This would limit his opportunity to have as many big games as he has had in his first 3 years. If Lin was given the exact same opportunity that Jalen has gotten in his first 3 years there would have been much more opportunity to have big games. This is not me saying Lin could have done better with that opportunity or that he should have gotten that opportunity, it’s just an acknowledgment that you can’t just compare the two and say they both had equal opportunity and Jalen has done more. That’s not accurate.
No one said Jeremy Lin had High IQ. You take it out of context. He just has a higher IQ than Jalen which isn't hard to do.
That should not take away from a player scoring as Harden played with 2 superstar guards that had no issue scoring. And again what is the proof that playing with Harden took away “opportunities” for Lin? It’s more conjecture and speculation than fact.
Lin avg 11.1 FGA per game in 16-17 as a starting PG on a Nets starting lineup of: Brook Lopez, (Rookie) Caris Lavert, Hollis-Jefferson, and Randy Foye. Who was taking away his shots? Westbrook avg 22.5 FGA per game with Harden. CP3 avg 13.8 FGA per game in 17-18 with Harden. The game has always been about ability. Ability dictates all.
