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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. Dobbizzle

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    Every time I watch Sengun highlights (which I do a lot) I always wonder why people are just so laser focused on his passing, have you SEEN that footwork? I love a flashy Sengun pass as much as the next guy, but I'll take him schooling people in the post or flexing on posters over the passes any day of the week. I really miss skillful post play in the NBA, needs to start making a big comeback now nobody has a clue how to properly defend it. People like to bang on about how MJ etc would dominate in this era, he wouldn't be **** compared to Dream in a league where nobody's had to defend even a quarter of that skill level in post scoring.
     
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    It’s because accurate and volume 3pt shooting both trump post game in this current meta
     
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    Just watch how Croatia defended him in the Qualifiers.

    American players fall prey far more easily.....
     
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    Someone already does that, it's Nikola Jokic, the man shoots 67% from 2 point range and everyone knows those aren't dunks. 64% from 3-10 feet out.

    If anyone brought back post-play, it's him.


     
  5. Dobbizzle

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    I'm not saying Sengun brought it back, I'm just saying I love seeing him do it because he can. Jokic is another player who is just a joy to watch, no argument from me at all there. I'm just saying that as great as the passes are, and they are great and so fun to watch, for me it's the post play and the dunks and the swagger that are my favourite part of his game. His face and arm flex after a dunk should be on a t-shirt or poster tbh because it's just incredible the amount of character he has so young, and it's been there since day one just as much as the passing. And when he adopted that spin-step from Dream? Man, that is pretty basketball. I don't want to just watch everybody shoot threes, post players are what amazed me from the youngest age as a kid (probably helped my Dad is a Rockets fan so I saw a lot of Dream) and it's just as incredible to me watching a giant with that level of grace and skill as it is watching a 6'4-8 dude jump over people.
     
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    Obviously, but in the same stroke, if the shots are always falling, it's an efficient shot. And you can still win that game if you can shut down the 3 whilst the opponent can't do a damn thing to stop your big man without all jumping in and leaving the 3pt players wide open (which maybe a good passing center could probably exploit, i think.) If they zig, you zag. I think it's silly to see the current trend as the end result of basketball and it's just a 3pt contest going forward. It's why solid mid-range players can be winners, because everybody's been Morey-fied/fried into stopping working on a bunch of fundamentals that all-time greats used to feast. People aren't right that Jordan would destroy this era because it's soft, they're right because damn near nobody could defend him in the mid-range without giving him easy shots at the line or a gimme bucket. He probably wouldn't make many threes though because that part of the game is VASTLY superior to his era. Sports are ALWAYS a game of mismatches.
     
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    Every time I watch Sengun highlights I cringe when Hollins speaks.
     
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    I actually got used to him now, I quite like it haha. Probably a guilty pleasure now that one, and I actually think our play by play is much better than a lot of teams out there. I nearly had to be put on suicide watch from boredom watching the Milwaukee broadcast.
     
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    My mistake, I mis-interpreted your statement as a lamentation on the death of low-post bigmen, which would have been entirely true in 2013-2019 when it seemed like Pau Gasol would be the last real successful post scoring big man in league history.

    Sengun's always been a good finisher at the rim (67% FG% from 0-3 feet), but it seems like his post game just needs more polish and reps than anything. He shot an abysmal 38% from 3-10 feet his rookie year but improved to 50% from 3-10 feet while taking nearly 45% of his shots from that range. Somewhat suboptimal now, but if he can continue that improvement up to 55%+, dumping it off to Sengun in the post becomes a viable option for the classic "Oh ****, the offense didn't work and now we have 7 seconds on the clock left and just need a high-ish percentage shot" scenario.
     
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    Jokic has really good touch from the floater range. Sengun started throwing up more of this baby hooks/floaters last year, hopefully he gets more accurate this year, it really opens up the offense
     
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    And?

    That doesn’t address a single thing. o_O
     
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    Go Rockets!!!
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    He is #3, confirmed after Serbia-Italia game. What a nonsense coaching.
     
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    "Wait.. what?"

    - Seemingly the majority of the Rockets organisation, when they see Sengun isn't the terrible defender he's made out to be, when surrounded on the court with players who hustle and bother trying to play defense:
     
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    That clears it up.
     
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    If they made him the focal point, they would have kept Patty Mills and other players instead of going right at Van Vleet.

    Should have gone after Seth Curry.
     
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    Yeah, Amen and Sengun are gonna feast off each other, especially if they both learn to be respectable shooters.
     

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