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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I'll allow it :cool:
     
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    Mudiay played in the Chinese league before entering draft and his stats were above average and not NBA caliber.
     
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    When you follow a particular player you like, you tend to notice things in the system that works against him, but not notice it when the same thing happens to others. How do I know? Because I thought Sengun was used as a bail out by kpj.

    If you look at the numbers, Green and KPJ took 10% of their shots within the last 4 seconds, Jabari and Sengun about 8%. These are not bail-out stats but generally gives an idea and doesn't suggest that Green is the main bail out target. I am also guessing that nobody other than you would think that Green is getting the most bail-out shots by far.

    Green's efficiency was bad because his game is not mature enough yet, and he had no coaching whatsoever or a good pg, or a functioning system. This year we should expect him to gradually increase his efficiency.
     
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    Actually earlier this year someone did share an explicit stat for that type of shot and Green led the NBA in it.

    Look dude, I'm replying to a dude that has a a player's name as their username on a team message board where that player joined 2 seasons ago.


    Anyone who watched the Rockets consistently knows that Green and KPJ took the most bail out shots. A bail out shot isn't merely taking a shot with less than 4 seconds left. Sengun rarely gets the ball passed to him with less than 5 seconds left. If he had a shot attempt with less than 5 seconds left it's a product of a set post play where it took 15 seconds to establish post position and then another 6 seconds or so to get up a shot in a set post play. It isn't a result of a broken set where players are scrambling.

    He isn't getting the ball instinctively thrown at him when there are 6 seconds left on a broken down play when someone like KJ Martin has the ball who can't create his own shot. KJ Martin in that situation is looking for Green or KPJ, three level self creators. Those are the only two three level self creators this team had last season.
     
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    Yeah! Normally, I should be the dude being very sensitive and replying to every post in every thread that has any indirect implication about Sengun ;)
     
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    Sengun can't b the bail out guy last season bc kpj couldnt/wouldn't get the ball to sengun in the post.

    Our offense in the final seconds is just let kpj or green iso and hope they make their shots.
     
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    I have already said that these are not bail out stats. And Green might as well lead the league for it. But other players get bail out shots too and the extra bail out shots Green gets are is the main or secondary reason for his efficiency. Getting less bail outs will not solve Green's problems, will make the numbers just slightly better.

    For the other part about Sengun not getting bail out shots in undesirable situations, what you say is true to some extent but my whole point is it happens more often than you think. Because your mind records every single time it happens to Green but not to other players.
     
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    I mean these are just assumptions based on your perception of psychology.

    The reality is Sengun is the worst type of player to just dump the ball off with seconds left especially if he already isn't in the paint. He already does pump fakes on wide open looks with no defender with a five foot radius around him.

    And then compare Green to other players in his class, the only player that could have a similar excuse is Cade as he also is the highest usage number one option.

    Sengun has offensive gravity but it's limited to specific areas in a half court set while Green's offensive gravity is the entire half court. So ya out of his 2021 draft class, him and Cade have the biggest burdens of taking the most difficult attempts under the most defensive scrutiny.
     
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    I mean these are just assumptions based on your perception of psychology.

    The reality is Sengun is the worst type of player to just dump the ball off with seconds left especially if he already isn't in the paint. He already does pump fakes on wide open looks with no defender with a five foot radius around him.

    And then compare Green to other players in his class, the only player that could have a similar excuse is Cade as he also is the highest usage number one option.

    Sengun has offensive gravity for sure but it's limited to specific areas in a half court set while Green's offensive gravity is the entire half court. So ya out of his 2021 draft class, him and Cade have the biggest burdens of taking the most difficult attempts under the most defensive scrutiny.
     
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    It is the reality for sure. Nevertheless it happens more often than you think even though it shouldn’t.

    anyway, I am not convinced that bail out shots effect green’s efficiency in some meaningful way and we can disagree on that.
     
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    I never said bail out shots is the only reason. It's one of the reasons. The other is Sengun is very selective with his shot attempts sometimes at the detriment of halfcourt spacing.

    I mean there is a reason why bigs have an average efficiency higher than guards Outside bigs who are three level scorers.
     
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    I honestly can't decide which is more hilarious. Comparing a shooting guard's TS% to a center's TS% or using bailout shots as a justification for low TS%.
     
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    Over/under 5 posters for Sengun next season?! Hopefully some are on Wemby lol
     
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    He finally turned 21, he's not a prospect anymore he's a grown fuc*ing man so i'm gonna be real. If he's not averaging 22 next season send that bum to China.
     
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    I want him to put Wemby in the spin cycle and on his ass like he did with Collins, and dunk on Wemby's ass.
     
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    You think KJ Martin takes the same type of shots as Green?

    Nail out shots is an example of different factors that constitute role.

    Are we going to compare the ts% of KJ Martin to Devin Booker now? Does that make sense.
     
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    Then he's going to China bc sengun isn't averaging 22 pts
     
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    Delusional
     
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