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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. daywalker02

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    You can't also say he is a non shooter, give him 5 more years.

    If he can't shoot consistently when he is 25, he likely will never learn.

    The whole team is not shooting well while generating open looks, that is on the developmental team.

    What do you have to lose to wait couple years?

    Jokic seemed to be the better shooter when Alperen was drafted.
     
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    Alperen Sengun's potential on defense is absolutely tru the roof. He has all the tools to be an elite defender just needs a defensive minded coach, a good scheme, a defensive minded team. Plus most important MORE PLAYING TIME.

    He only ever played 6 full nba games in his career 35+ minutes. hes basically still in his rookie year.

    he will be great on defense, no doubt about it, i claimed it from his very first games. has all the tools, he puts in an effort, he hustles, is a perfectionist, has a fighting spirit...
    you can bookmark this and put me in hall of shame or fame in couple of years
     
  3. hakeem94

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    he stretches the floor because hes a great drible drive penetrator, if you sag off of him you gave him the headstart to drive and hes at the rim in 2 dribbles and spin.

    even if you guard him tight at the perimeter hes still driving by you...only way to contain him is double team
     
  4. daywalker02

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    Do you remember the Jalen Green interview at the All Star Weekend Dunk Contest?

    He called Alpi 'Always' because he could shoot well in practice.

    At some point legitimate coaches should encourage him to shoot more.

     
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    this! whenever i hear that term eg about this and that player being the franchise player or we need the franchise player i sense its 100% just a dumb marketing concept and not conducive to winning or real basketball
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    I said he can’t shoot. Thats not his game. He hasn’t shown us he can shoot. He doesn’t shoot threes an even less willing this season. He doesn’t shoot the mid range shot unless time is running out or in desperation. That’s like saying jalen plays post. It’s not about development man. Development Is about what a player is good at or comfortable at doing or already doing but wants to maximize this skill. For instance Jabari isn’t good at dribble drive but that’s part of his game. So his development is to improve in this area. Or Jalen making better passes as a playmaker who heavily dribble drives. Or tate who already shoots threes but can improve in that department. Development doesn’t mean you make Boban into a three point specialist.
     
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    He doesn't shoot is because his baby hooks and Dream shakes are automatic shots for him.

    He has to build a case for a big money contract before he shows more of his skills.

    It is not a one way street, no idea why you can't show patience.

    He is a 20 year old dude who couldn't speak much English months ago and 16th pick.

    Anything above 8 pts and 4 rebounds is a win.... Lol.

    His dunks are also powerful, that was a surprise the Flex Plan.
     
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    A lot of players are not good at defense. Ya just love to hate on a player for anything no one is perfect remember that not even you so just stop hating and start appreciating
     
  9. SuperKev

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    All the young guys shooting drops like a rock from college for the first 1-3 years. Cade Cunningham is shooting 27% from three, Jaden Ivey 32% etc. The only recent draft shooting really well is Keegan Murray who was super polished but 22YO.
     
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    Jokic is the one comparing him to himself by the way.

    And this doesn't make any sense. Jokic isn't a great 3 point shooter nor great on defense.

    And Sengun is still getting better game by game. It's scary. I don't get why people need to crap on the guy. Rockets fans should be loving this.
     
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    Look at jokic's 3pt% and 3 fga at his first 3 years and stop bulls#!tting stephen
    Edit: this reply was not meant for you ,but that espn analyst you quoted.
     
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    Watch the franchise video
     
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  13. Stephen_A

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    It’s just my analysis of watching him play the past two years and reading his scouting reports. I don’t assume anything on why he doesn’t shoot. Do you know for a fact that’s why he doesn’t shoot? Or is this your opinion? Im basing my assessment from watching him play that’s all. I say again he is difficult to play due to his liabilities especially when he isn’t stretch player. Stretch means the big’s ability to draw defenses out to the perimeter due to shooting creating more space for the guards to drive. And dribble drive ability isn’t considered stretching defenses. Bedsides he isn’t starting his dribble drive from the perimeter or baseline. Most of his damage is done in short rolls or from high post. This doesn’t stretch defenses but compacts them and also compacts the Rockets offense. Just my analysis.
     
  14. Stephen_A

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    no that’s your take and accusation which is unfair to me. Not sure what your analogy or point is. That’s like saying a lot of players are mediocre if I analyze Garrison Matthews. Again no need to emotionally defend a player. Im just making an assessment. No need to assume anything or attack my opinion just because you are emotionally attached to a player
     
  15. Stephen_A

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    Again that’s my analysis. I did not use negative words to describe him but merely assessed him and responded to the OP. If this affects you emotionally so much you have to disrespect my opinion or negatively label me then that’s on you and quite unnecessary. Jokic is shooting.370 btw and career .347 shooter as opposed to Sengun’s .255. Sengun isn’t a stretch 5. I don’t remember Jokic comparing Sengun to himself. He merely mentioned in NOV that Sengun has a good offensive game and is talented. Unless you have a report somewhere else.
     
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    While being a stretch is important and something that one could learn, i don't think it's as dramatically bad as u note. His greatness weakness right now isn't his ability to hit threes, it's his defense. Man just went and score 33 pts with limited attempts at shooting 3s. He was drawing defense and was able to provide his teammates open shots.

    Sengun is an offensive threat with or without a 3pt stroke, it would b nice to have at this stage of his career, but being a better defensive player is more vital.


    U can survive having a center that doesn't shoot 3s well. U just have to change up the offense. Utilize cuts more, and sengun will get u the ball. If our team behave more like kj martin, we b scoring for days.

    Casuals like u, always like to think there's only one way to play bb and every team needs to b a copy/paste of each other. A crafty player like sengun can set his player up if they move around more.

    If we are considering sengun to be the best player right now, it's up to his teammates to adapt to him not the other way around.
     
  17. Stephen_A

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    Jokic is a stretch 5 and Sengun isn’t. In 2016-2017 Jokic shot .324 from 3 as opposed to Sengun’s .286. Sengun only attempts 0.7 per game down from last year as he doesn’t take that shot much anymore. Jokic shot 55% 16-24 ft and 32% over 24 ft that second year as well. Sengun shoots 28% from 16-24 ft and 29% greater than 24 ft this season with leas frequency since he mostly shoots 8 ft or less. He is a low post scorer not a stretch 5. Not the same player and not similar.
     
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  18. kingkingston

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    I wouldn't say he is our franchise player. Way too early for that.
     
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  19. kingkingston

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    Jokic is better at jump shooting that Sengun. Better more fluent action
     
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  20. Stephen_A

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    i mentioned this already. The guy was debating with me on what stretch means. I noted in my initial response that he can’t defend bigs. Not even guys like Poetl or Zach Collins. Read my posts first please and please don’t resort to name calling and be disrespectful since I never did that to you. I never said teams have to
    Copy one another did i? That’s your words and accusations on me based on nothing. I simply assessed what i see. If you don’t like it thats fine but no need to disrespect me or get upset or emotional because you like a player lol. I base all my assessments off the game tape btw. Anyway be well
     

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