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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Tom Bombadillo

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    I believe in Alperen Sengun, Jalen Green, and Jabari Smith. I love that core with Tari Eason and KJ Martin. And we have another stud coming in a few months.

    What we need is for Tilman to spend a LOT of money on a quality coaching staff.
     
  2. hakeem94

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    besides not having range doesnt mean its a weakness...its not the back and white world...3 point shot is very volatile weapon that often backfires even with the best snipers...its addictive and you start to relie too much on it like harden eg its hard to resist the temptation

    imho giannis would have never won it if he were any good at 3pt ....hed relie too much on it and it would have betrayed him in key moments ...and since he couldnt relie on it he had to relie on his only option and relie some more on it...rim pressure and he won it all because he also gets offensive rebounds because hes in the vicinity and putbacks just like alpi

    also butler that couldnt shoot 3pt kicked embiids and hardens ass in the playoffs despite not shooting it or not shooting well and these 2 are very good 3 pt shooters...

    so all in all tru ballers can dominate without range...
     
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    Paul Silas >>> Stephen Silas (as a coach)
     
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  5. AlperenSengun

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    Thanks for posting. It was obvious to me but still I was thinking he can't be that stupid. He actually is and has no problem spelling it out loud. He goes on to give a detailed description of the strength of Alpi, which was also quite funny in my opinion.

    Another crazy thing is how rockets media do not ask questions Silas about all the stupid stuff going on, and we finally get this question asked half way into the season.

    And the most crazy thing is Sengun is 33.3% on those 3s. He is 8/28 in total, 28.5% including misses 1 half-court and 3 buzzer beaters. The rest that are in the flow of regular offense amounts to 8/24=33.3%, which is actually better than Green, KMJ and other notable players :).
     
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  6. DatRocketFan

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    Pfffft. 8/28 is 8/28. U can't b saying oh those shots don't count since they were half courts/buzzer beaters.

    I don't think u can come to a fair conclusion that sengun is the better 3 pt shooter due to the small sample size. We all know he needs to work on that regardless and take more shots. One thing I like about sengun is if he's not confident he won't force it to waste a possession, that's real bbiq.
     
  7. AlperenSengun

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    I did not(I explicitly mentioned it in another post where i gave this info). The context is Silas is mentioning this is his weakness and that's why he should not shoot. But it looks like half way through the season he is about 30% without even going into detail, just taking out the half court shot. This is enough evidence that he should be shooting all of those 3s.

    He is 0-6 in 3s with 4 or less seconds left. As I mentioned above, 4 of these are at the buzzer. That means he shoots well above 30% when he shoots within the game flow, when he is not rushed. Considering his ft% and his shooting form, this is not surprising to me at all.

    So the conclusion is he should just take the shots, and make the sample size larger so that we all know where he is at, and how much improvement he needs.
     
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    listen buddy I am a huge fan of Larry and I probably didnt watch him as much as you, but I just dont know how hed defend Sengun at all?

    When Sengun is able to tear apart a perrenial DPOY candidate like Rudy Gobert there's no telling what hed done playing vs Larry. I am sure Sengun will be one of the GOATS if he stays healthy.
     
  9. DatRocketFan

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    Sengun 3pt % is 28.6, if u round up sure he's 30%.

    Look liked u had two conclusion.

    I don't think u can logically come to the 1st conclusion that he shoots well above 30% when he shoots within the game flow, when he is not rushed by omitting those 6 shots. Really looks like u are cherry picking such a small sample size to come to a conclusion.

    I agree with the 2nd conclusion that the
    Sample size is way too small to have any real analysis of his ability to shoot 3s.
     
  10. AlperenSengun

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    I am not rounding up 28.6. I am excluding his half court shot, which is very reasonable. Normally you don't worry about this, but when the sample size is this small it makes a significant change, rather than 28.6, you get 8/27=29.6. I went into the analysis of the buzzer beaters because what I wonder is how well he shot when he is left open by the defender, not when he is forced to take a shot that is out of his game. And in that case he is 33.3%. I would exclude if he made the buzzer beater shot as well. I wouldn't call this cherry picking, just analyzing the situation that we are interested in. and I am not claiming that this is sustainable or anything of that sort. But if it tells you one thing, he should take those 3s, not because the data promises that he will continue to do so or you should expect him to score like that. But there are signs of improvement enough to justify that.

    Based on ft % and general shooting form, I am fairly confident that he will come above 32% soon, probably next season, or as soon as he doesn't feel Silas's sword on his neck. We'll see how it goes.

    Edit: The 33.3% being better than green's 3pt% is particularly striking.
     
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    Well, there is the Denver guy and the bearded Space Jam guy when he was younger.
     
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    Eliminating end of shot clock and half court heaves is fair. But when comparing %s to Jalen you also have to take into account Jalen is taking a bunch of well covered, self created 3s, while Sengun is take 3s with no one within 10 feet.

    So 33% is not particularly good for wide open shots. It is way less efficient than any of his other shots. But it does show improvement from last year which is really all that matters for players is age. In the long run, the 3 point shot’s sole purpose is to set up his dribble drive, its never should be something he relies on similarly with Jokic or Sabonis.
     
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    he can dribble drive anyway whenever he feels like it even now...
    and hes spacing the floor already without it because hes an awesome dribble drive penetrator, so they cant sag off of him because he uses the space as a headstart to higher % rim attack...

    people are just worshiping the latest fad..its a fools gold...

    defenders just love it when you chuck a up a 3 pointer except if youre steph.. and they hate to dance with sengun and spend energy defending in the paint... its hard its energy draining and risky... they hate it.... and he is a nightmare to defend, has elite footwork, amazing dribbles and is a foul magnet, he draws fouls better than harden and is an excellent offensive rebounder so he cant just put it back...he also makes defenders looking like silly fools and nobody likes that!

    theres no reason ever for him to take a 3 pointer except if it's fun for him for some reason or he is up for a challenge so he likes to work on new skills
     
  15. cml750

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    TBH Bird is actually a good comparison to Sengun. Bird was not a gifted athlete but his BBIQ was off the charts which made him one of the top players ever. Sengun's skills are different than Bird being he is a post player and Bird was a wing but his BBIQ is also off the charts which is why he is destined for great things. It is the BBIQ that sets them apart. It made Bird great in his day and it is making Sengun great right in front of us.
     
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    The comparison with Green is not a real comparison, just to point out the contrast between Sengun's image of a very poor 3pt shooter and how the numbers compares to others in the team. Green is by far the better shooter, regardless of his current %, but when Sengun is left open, up to this point in the season, he is shooting similar to Green's overall 3pt performance, which includes very tough shots, a lot of rushed shots etc. But in the context of what Silas said that does not matter much. Because he thinks Sengun should not shoot due to being bad, where instead he should have been encouraged by the numbers.
     
  19. Easy

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    Pretty sure his argument wasn't rounding it up. With such a small sample size, a few last second heaves would definitely have a big impact on the percentage. But on the flip side, the lucky bounce one he made last night also has an inordinate positive impact to his overall percentage too.

    It's exactly because of the small sample size, the percentage itself, good or bad, wouldn't be an accurate indication of his shooting ability. I mean, Garuba is our best 3pt shooter at 41%.

    The coach telling a player not to shoot 3 because that not a high percentage shot for him might not be such a bad thing. It's the context that makes it sound so outrageous. Here is the context:
    1. We are not trying to win. The goal is to develop the young players. They should want Sengun to have some rep on wide open 3s.
    2. It's blatant double standard when they insist on making KPJ the head honcho which is clear to everybody KPJ's weakness.
     
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