This is absurd. Watch any NBA guard beat their perimeter defense. Vast majority of the time especially in a badly coached team that has poor spacing, multiple other defenders are still in the path. Experienced guards know when to pass out or change pace. Green is still figuring that out. Absolutely young guards have to figure out more than young bigs. And he absolutely has a higher ceiling than any one else on the team. Tari Eason? Really dude? Have you seen any self creation ability from him yet? Like any? Dude has a great motor and can jump high. That's about it right now.
None of this is correct. You’re conflating positional responsibilities. Green is a play finisher, he’s not an initiator or even an offensive hub. He’s a scorer first and foremost, that’s the simplest thing to do for him right now. That’s what he needs to focus on. Right now Alp has more offensive responsibilities than Green. And no, physical ability doesn’t mean higher upside. Never has
Shadeon Sharpe is a play finisher. Green is a shot creator. Ad Green just doesn't have better physical qualities. He has a better shooting touch. He creates more seperation off the dribble and that will be important in the future. For someone like Sengun, he is going to be reliant on getting position and then having someone one feed him properly. It takes a lot more time in an offensive set to get him going. Obviously this is great when you want to slow things down. You are really underselling Green and I think it has to do with more casual basketball fans not understand just how bad young 19-20 year old NBA guards are when you just look at their advanced metrics. Again, it has to do with them having to absorb more knowledge on NBA defenses.
Green is a solid iso scorer right now, but he doesn’t create shots for others. Don’t think that is something he’s ever going to be. He’s not in that mold
Nice goal post moving. You said he's a play finisher. In fact I wish the Rockets offense allowed him to be a play finisher more often. He's great at shaking defenders with his shiftiness off the ball occasionally and can cut the basket and finish but you rarely see that with the Rockets. Green scored in two ways. Off the dribble and catch and shoot. But he's a shot creator first, a play finisher second. Green can create seperation off the dribble. That's a good base to have to eventually be good at generating offense for others especially with his jump shot. His gravity y and ability to collapse defenses means that once he masters the simple reads, he'll get his assists. He's not going to average 8-9 assists a game like a Harden but he definitely can be a 25+ 5+ 5+ guy.
There’s no goal post moving. You are making Green out to be something he’s not. He is literally assisted on more of his shots than not. Specially 3 pt shots. That’s the definition of play finisher.
Dude either you just don't know basketball terminology or you are really downplaying Green because you literally called him nothing more than a play finisher.
Do you know what shot creator and play finisher means? The stats don’t agree with what you’re saying. In fact, Green is assisted on more 2 pt fga than Alp is. If you are being assisted more than not, you’re a finisher.
Jalen Green in his rookie season was number 13 in the NBA in ppp in iso possessions for players with a volume of 2 or more. He was by far the youngest player in the top 20 in that category. That's iso possessions. Sengun only fans want us to suck his dick over 8 games of him having great ppp numbers in the post. Green had elite ppp iso numbers for a rookie in an entire NBA season. Stop it. You have no clue what you are talking about. Play finishers don't do this
Are we talking about Greens rookie season? Why are you moving the goalposts now? Green is an awesome iso player, but he’s not playing that way this season, Alp is better in isolation right now. Don’t get mad because you don’t know what you’re talking about
He's awesome iso player and then why are you putting him down and saying he's a play finisher only and gets most of his shots off of assists? Your framing of your argument makes it seems like you are saying he isn't a good shot creator. Hence why you keep on labeling him a play finisher. How much sample size do we have of last season vs this season? The sample size is so small now that one hot week from Green will create a situation where you have leg to stand on. That's how fickle the narratives are. Hence why there is no best player now.
I love Green. I think very highly of him. But the numbers show what they show. He is getting assisted on more shots than not, specially 3 pt attempts. I don’t know what to tell you, his ISO numbers are terrible so far this year. .77 ppp on iso plays right now. I put this more on Silas than anyone Edit* I’m not trying to out him down by saying he’s a finisher. But right now he’s finishing more plays than he is creating shots. That doesn’t mean he’s not capable. Also, when I think shot creator it’s creating for you and others. That’s not a strength of his
How much sample size do we have of last season vs this season? The sample size is so small now that one hot week from Green will create a situation where you have leg to stand on. That's how fickle the narratives are. Hence why there is no best player now.
It’s not about leg to stand on. It’s what it is right now, that can change. No one is putting anyone into definitive roles (except you) I want Green to be elite, I want Alp to be elite. I want all the players on this team to be the best versions of themselves. But right now, Alp is the best player on this team. That isn’t debatable
You made a statement that Tari has a higher ceiling than Green dude. If this is the only sentiment you said I wouldn't care.
I didn’t say Tari had a higher ceiling anywhere, I said I wouldn’t put Greens ceiling above a handful of players. Meaning they’re all capable of being the best player on this team. We don’t know who that will be in the long term, Green has a good shot. But I think those others have a good shot too
