Who's going to give the ball to him? You think he can dribble the ball up the court while being pressed like KPJ and Green do regularly? Sengun is a great stationary post passer. He isn't going to be someone you dump the ball to on the other side of the court and walk the ball up and initiate the offense. You still need a ball handling guard for that. And you want Green and KPJ to share playmaking duties with Sengun because you want to utilize their ability to break defenders down and create seperation with their ball handling and quickness. Why wouldn't you want to utilize Green's elite seperation ability to playmake?
Half court sets should be ran through Alp. Fast breaks through Green and KPJ. And Alp passes well off the bounce and from the top of the key too
Alperen should get his fair share of half court sets where he is the playmaker. But why do you want to pigeon hole Green and KPJ? Green is 20 like Sengun. Green's elite seperation ability down the line will make him a good playmaker also.
Green is more of a finisher than a playmaker. Alp is a much better playmaker for others. Greens handle is still a work in progress, to make things easier for him to score let Alp do the initiating. It’s not a knock on either player, just put them in position to do what they do best. Alp is a better playmaker, Green is a better scorer/finisher.
We are talking about 20 year olds right? The difference in playmaking shown last season between the two isn't some vast oceanic gulf. Green is 20. He has elite seperation and has explosive crossover ability. He can get past defenders easily. That means he's a prime candidate to distribute assists in the future, hopefully in the near future. It's within the best interest of the Houston Rockets to have Jalen Green be comfortable playmaking because there is a large chance 3 years down the road he's going to be the one will the ball in his hands when it's crunch time and he needs that experience to not generate tunnel vision. There is no one elite Luka/CP3 level playmaker on this team where i would consider placing 100% devotion to just then playmaking. This is a shared responsibility for the Rockets. Sengun, KOJ and Green will all share some playamking duties. We don't need a heliocentric offense. Why are people being so irrational with Sengun. It's kinda freaky.
It honestly seems like you’re being irrational about Green. Green isn’t going to be Luka or Lebron. He’s a true 2 guard, his handle is not a strength. Let the dude score, let him average 30. Alp is a close 2nd in terms of upside and long term potential. Let him play make, which is his strength. Seems like you care more about Green than you do the actual Rockets. I want them all to succeed, and play as a team.
The beauty about Green, Alp and Jabari is they compliment each other in almost every way. They help each other make the game easier, or should with their strengths. Even KPJ as a spot up shooter and fast break initiator has a strong compliment to the main 3.
you took this out of context where i was responding to dude who claimed alpi will need 3 to stay on the floor... we are in agreement.. i have no problem with them sharing playmaking responsibilities or someone else bringing the ball up and immediately giving it to sengun or trying to create himself... its just that those other dudes arent very good at it .......not half smart as sengun and aint even willing passers...kpj is just fancy aimlessly dribbling half the time not even attacking the rim.... sengun on the other hand makes things happen the very second he gets the ball...hes natural at it... the other two struggle to make plays and have to work on that......his gravity and ability to get to the rim is ELITE..he just KNOWS WHAT TO DO and sharing the ball is his second nature...while KPJs nature is to fancy dribble around aimlessly or chuck a 3 over the hands of defenders...
When the hell did I say he's the next Luka? I said this team will run play making duties by committee. Green I doubt will ever be an elite all time playmaker but he will be competent enough due to his seperation ability. Why would you want Green to develop tunnel vision? I want him to be more well rounded and at 20 I think he has plenty of room to grow there. At the moment he's the second best ball handler on this team behind KPJ. We are done with heliocentric offense.
It sounds like you’re asking for heliocentric offense lol Alp initiating is the antithesis to heliocentric or iso ball. Cutting, movement off ball, passing, getting out in transition should be what this team does. No one is pigeon holing anyone. Green is a scorer, let him score. Alp is a playmaker, let him make plays.
Okay I don't think you understand that phrase then. A heliocentric offense is a offense were a singular player is fully in charge of all playmaking duties. Arizona single play on this team that is at that level to delegate that responsibility to.
Advocating for 1 single player to be the main hub of playmaking is the definition of a heliocentric offense.
No, that’s not what a heliocentric offense is. Heliocentric is one person carrying the burden of scoring and playmaking. Luka or Harden. Asking for Alp to initiate half court sets isn’t that. Asking for Green to do or be something he’s not, isn’t smart either. They will all have their shots at scoring, in their own fields of expertise. With some overlap in who is hot that individual night. Green is a great slasher, transition player and can be a great shooter, KPJ is a great catch and shoot guy and can make plays off the bounce, Alp is a great passer and low post scorer. Let them play to their strengths
its comic how much rockets fans hate alpi to be the playmaker...lololol they prefer ballhogging, idealess guards to dribble the air out of ball and chuck 3 pointers over the hand of defenders...how pathetic... and its not like alpi s game is ugly....hes one of the most fun players to watch in nba...
I was referring to the phrase "pigeon holing". Green has the baseline ball handling skills to eventually be a primary ball handler. He has to practice that. You are trying to frame him as just some superior version of a Corey Breeey(off ball athletic slasher) who can shoot. Green ranked 15th in the entire league for iso points per possession with volume over 2 iso attempts per game. His ability to break down defenders with the ball when he was only 19-20 at the time means he has the baseline ability to eventually be a competent playmaker as a guard. Remember the best trait for the elite playmakers in the league... The ability to create seperation and get by defenders. Sengun, Green and KPJ will split duties initiating the offense. KPJ probably will have the highest usage rating still. He's still the best ball handler on this team. He's the best player on this team at maintaining a dribble through traffic in a half court offense which is an extremely important trait to be a playmaker. If we combined Sengun's vision/passing ability with Green's seperation ability/athleticsm and KPJ's ball handling ability we would have the goat. But that's not reality.
Do you have the self awat to realize you are doing the same as those you accuse? You are putting down other players on this team to prop up Sengun.
First, you’re overestimating Greens handle. He does win in iso, but mainly by elite explosion. In no way am I comparing him to Brewer, stop that. He’s more in the mold of Bradley Beal, but a hyper athletic version. There’s nothing wrong with Alp helping him be even more efficient and taking some of the pressure off Green. No one is asking for Alp to be the sole playmaker, but in half court sets he should always have a touch. The person Alp would be sharing facilitating with is KPJ imo, Green can get hockey assists with his gravity towards the bucket. I want to see team ball, movement and passing. The pieces are there.
Idk how the rockets are gonna do this. Sengun is pretty unique and we gotta find balance in how the offense flows. We need a rim running big with size and athleticism so bad. We’re gonna get killed inside again next season. Not a sengun replacement, but we need that as an option
