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Almost everything that is wrong with the offense summed in one video

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by flamingdts, Nov 11, 2021.

  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    We have the personnel to run a basic offense. Whether or not it yields points that's a different story; the priority right now is to get the young kids more familiar with sets and structure and not to let them run amok whenever they want. You have to agree with me, even to a certain extent, that splitting up the Porter/Green back court and pairing either player up with a vet like Gordon or Augustin for most of the game is going to yield better results.

    As for Wood, to keep with the tone of the conversation we're having, sure bench him for playing like crap. If he's not willing to hustle and bust his ass on the court the 20 points he gives us really don't mean much if he ends up giving as much up on the defensive end.
     
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  2. vlaurelio

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    howbout coaching him first includes teaching and practicing..
     
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  3. vlaurelio

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    its Silas responsibility to teach and practice how to set screens and not to pick up your dribble too early
     
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    There is nothing wrong with playing the vets, the problem becomes when the coach is so infatuated with the freaking vets and he can't see when a young player, despite some shortcomings, are much better than the vet. Or when he insists on playing inefficient line ups with his freaking vets.

    Exhibit A:

    Playing Danuel House and David Nwaba over KJ Martin. This absolutely makes zero freaking sense.

    Exhibit B:

    Playing Daniel Theis and David Nwaba significant minutes together. It makes no sense and I'm willing to bet this is one of our worst lineups.
     
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    He’s been in the league how long…. Two leagues actually since he washed out of China…. How many head coaches?

    How about KPJ? Stable guy? Experienced at the position he’s playing that the greater team is relying on?

    Just seems incredibly naive to think or say Silas isn’t teaching or having them practice.
     
  7. dmoneybangbang

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    And you expect that all to be cleaned up in 10 games? 20? 40?

    Care to share a number?
     
  8. vlaurelio

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    LOL we talking about setting a pick not running an offense
     
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  9. dmoneybangbang

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    I do agree that splitting up Porter/Green would be prudent but that still doesn’t supersede the personnel issues after 10 games.
     
  10. Stephen_A

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    Awesome post! Love the positivity and realistic approach. We are young and growing. Nothing ever happens over night. Everyone chill and enjoy the games.
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    That’s right…. Wood has been playing basketball and not setting picks for how long again?
     
  12. DeBeards

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    lol, yeah, clueless rebuilding plan


     
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  13. steddinotayto

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    Of course; the lack of overall talent isn't going to be fixed because you start Gordon with Porter or you run Augustin with Green or whatever. But if your goals are to:

    -cut down on turnovers
    -have someone that can set up your scorers without really looking for their own first and second
    -have someone the team on the floor can rely on to make the correct passes

    then you should try it. At the very least it removes the elements that weren't working (namely putting Porter in a point guard role) in the first 11 games.
     
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  14. steddinotayto

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    I was wondering why we didn't try to put out one of our strongest players on the court when the Pistons where manhandling our front court. Like see what Garuba can give you...can't be worse than the 4 total rebounds Theis got your team.
     
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  15. Stephen_A

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    He’s an interesting player and like I said he’s not the guy and would be better complimenting dominant players but not one to lead a team or consistently get his own shot. He’s not good enough to not post. He’s not a quick 4 that get people off the dribble. He can’t post players deep in the paint or low block. He can’t even score from the elbows. He can hit step backs from time to time or open long 2 or drive baseline from time to time when defense is caught off guard. My point is he’s very limited in offense. He’s tried to post people but fact is he’s too weak so he’s may have abandoned it altogether. It was quite sad when uncle jeff punked him when he had deep position in the paint and that image has been a defining one that speaks volumes about him as a player. One singular play.
     
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    what's with everyone's infatuation with Garuba and Christopher.

    I have seen nothing from Christopher than him being a complete black hole everytime he touches the ball. How is he suppose to be our point guard. He tunnels almost as hard as anyone else if not worse.

    Garuba is so raw, he barely looks like a basketball player out there. Everything looks out of control and spastic.

    These two needs to get their minutes in the G-league.
     
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    Move KPJ to the 3. Start someone else at the 1.

    Theis or Wood need to be the starting center. They don't pair well together
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    That’s fair but coaches usually don’t constantly change lineups unless there’s injuries. I think the coaching staff had lineups in mind going from preseason to regular and want to give them to either work or not work.

    I can understand the impatience after 10 games but it maybe the perspective of the staff that is not a sufficient amount of time.

    I just can’t be convinced after 10 games that we know this and that about the coaching staff and the team. I know this team was designed to be bad so I’d prefer to look at this team in quarters. I’ve watched every game and I see progress but it’s still a terrible product.
     
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    Why send them to the G league when we're 1-9 with no realistic shot at the playoffs? Might as well play them instead of giving minutes to House and Gordon who aren't key pieces to the Rockets future. Rockets need to give those two the John Wall treatment.
     
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  20. Stephen_A

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    How do you or any of these fans on this site know what Silas does or doesn’t do? How much of what you’re saying is fact and how much of it is assumption or unfair accusation? All I know is what I see on the court and so my comments are analytical of what happens on the court. Nothing more. Why do some people on here assume Silas and his staff aren’t showing them how to set screens or anything else? One crazy fan on here even suggested that Silas isn’t even teaching them FT. How ludicrous of a judgement is that when none of you have access to team practices or insider information? And to think a professional coaching staff that does this for a living and around the team and basketball for most of their lives to not understand FT drills is crazy to me not to mention it’s players responsibility to practice these shooting and FT fundamentals themselves. As I’ve said coaching can only take players so far. These guys aren’t college anymore it’s the pros. It’s about players. Players only. You people are giving too much credit to coaching. Coaching only sets up players to play against the other teams schemes, make adjustments and Allows them to maximize their skills. Players do the rest.
     
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