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All-time NBA Matchup #6!

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by 123Rockets, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. 123Rockets

    123Rockets Member

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    Matchup 6

    RedNation vs Firebomb525

    Team RedNation
    Pg: Isiah Thomas
    Sg: George Gervin
    Sf: Tracy McGrady
    Pf: Dirk Nowitzki
    C: Dikembe Mutombo

    Bench:
    G: Tiny Archibald
    G/F: Sidney Moncrief
    F/C: Dolph Schayes


    Team Firebomb525
    PG: John Stockton (17 P, 3 R, 14 A, 3 S)
    SG: Rick Barry (37 P, 9 R, 4 A, 2 S)
    SF: Shawn Marion (22 P, 12 R, 2 A, 2 S, 2 B)
    PF: Karl Malone (31 P, 11 R, 3 A, 2 S)
    C: Artis Gilmore (24 P, 18 R, 3 A, 1 S, 3 B)
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    PG: Chauncey Billups ( 19 P, 3 R, 9 A, 1 S)
    PF/C: Dan Issel (30 P, 13 R, 2 A, 1 S, 2 B)
    SG/SF: Eddie Jones (20 P, 5 R, 4 A, 3 S, 1 B)

    Thanks!
     
  2. jopatmc

    jopatmc Contributing Member

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    Tough matchup.

    Stockton to Malone, obviously that team is gonna be running a ridiculous amount of PnR.

    Interesting mix of ABAers: Gervin/Gilmore/Issel/Barry

    Point: Thomas vs. Stockton - I'll give it a wash. Stockton was a sick passer. And a nasty cheating defender. Isaiah won rings. I'd like to give Isaiah the edge, but I know I'm prejudice against Stockton because of the Jazz/Rockets rivalry. I'll give it a wash.

    Archibald vs. Billups is quite a contrast. Not sure what to make of that one. If you didn't see Tiny play, he was an unstoppable scorer.

    Wings: Gervin, McGrady, Moncreif vs. Barry/Marion/Jones - In my opinion the first group plays way better D. McGrady and Moncreif in their prime were top-notch defenders. And Gervin and McGrady...well, you know the scoring there. Barry could score like no tomorrow but he wasn't much of a defender. And Gervin was a better scorer than him. Marion was a good defender but his offense is derived off a good distibuting point guard (Nash/Kidd). So, he would be good offensively. But McGrady is better. And defensively Marion and Moncreif is a wash.

    Bigs: Nowitzki/Mutombo/Schayes vs. Malone/Gilmore/Issel -- my thoughts here are Gilmore and Issel accumulated some of their gaudy stats playing before the merger and then they played as the merger occured. While a great player for his era, Issel is all of 6'9". And in my opinion, Gilmore's stats were very hollow. He never won anything, never made his teammates better. I don't consider him a worthy hall-of-famer. I just don't think he played winning ball and he lacked heart. I think Deke would shut him down defensively. Deke one of the best defensive centers of all time.

    There's no way Issel or Malone could defend Nowitzki. There's no way Nowitzki could handle them defensively. But Nowitzki has the eraser behind him allowing him to cheat and play passing lanes.
    .......................

    Have to give this one to RedNation. More D. More O. Better Bench.
     
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  3. 123Rockets

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    Thanks jopatmc. You were great. I'll inform you when the semis are.
     
  4. Firebomb525

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    Thanks jopatmc! Rep given. Appreciate the well thought out analysis.
     
  5. 123Rockets

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    You can give rep?
     
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    Yeah, says I can. Gave you some earlier.
     
  7. Honey Bear

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    RedNation to sweep.

    The Iceman is an animal. TMac in his prime is the perfect complement to a frisky, aggressive firecracker like Isiah. Thomas was so smooth and confident on the court he increased the size of his teammates testicles by 3 cubic centimeters each. TMac could use that, and once his confidence is going, coupled with his playmaking ability, he's nasty. Although he's always had trouble against Marion - so that matchup isn't a complete wash.

    Dirk vs. Malone is the most interesting matchup. Malone is known for his physicality, ability to thrive off the pick n roll, step out and hit the j, or make the sharp pass. Dirk, like an ugly bird, flounders his way around and somehow gets the ball to go in with a great step back jumper, some head fakes, flopping ability (which the mailman definitely didn't lack), ability to go baseline and slow, cerebral game in general. These guys cancel each other out.

    Gilmore put up big numbers in the ABA and cooled down once the competition got tougher. So I'm not too high on him compared to a specialist like Mutombo who allows his backcourt to overplay their men. That's a big advantage when guarding someone like Rick barry - not to mention TMac was a defensive specialist when he entered the league with Toronto. Marion can knock down open jumpers but isn't going to create so you put Gervin on him.

    There's no denying the Stockton-Malone combination, but I feel Stockton could have been given more versatility to work with. Firebomb has the stronger bench, but it's not enough to make a difference.
     
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  8. 123Rockets

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    Thanks guys.

    RedNation:2
    Firebomb: 0
     
  9. jank1434

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    First matchup the I will judge, so here we go:

    PG: I'll give Stockton the edge if only because he is playing with Malone. Stockton is one of the best distributors to ever play the game and with some great shooters around him and ol' reliable, I think Stockton would have a bigger impact than Thomas. Also, his reputation for steals is not something to look past either. Although Thomas is also clearly a great PG, I'll put my Jazz bias aside and go with Stockton by a small margin.

    Guard Bench goes to Archibald over Billups. Archibald scored at a more efficient rate than Billups and would be a great volume scorer coming off of the bench.

    SG: Both will benefit from having great passing PGs, but I am going to give the edge to Gervin. He could simply fill it up (as could Barry), but just look at Gervin's numbers! He got the ball in at an incredible rate. Neither were superior defenders, so I will give the nod to the better offensive player: Gervin

    SF: Easy edge to McGrady. This, to me, is the easiest position to judge for this matchup. McGrady is just the elite player all the way around. T-mac would eat him alive in this matchup. Marion would play OK defense on T-Mac, but McGrady wins in the long run with his ability on both sides of the ball.

    I feel that Moncrief and Jones would be a wash due to Moncrief's D and Jones' great offense coming off of the bench

    PF: We go from the easiest to the hardest position matchups. Both Nowitzki and Malone could score on anyone. Malone benefits from having Stockton on his team in the PnR, but Nowitzki benefits from having Mutombo backing him up. Dirk will have to do most of the scoring for the big guys, but will have Schayes to provide some relief. Overall, I will give the edge to Dirk by the slightest of margins.

    C: Although Gilmore's numbers did dip after the merger, I think that Mutombo will be helping enough on Karl Malone that Gilmore will benefit. Mutombo will not provide much offense, but will give Gilmore hell on defense one-on-one. Also, Deke will get no rest with Issel coming off of the bench. I will give the edge to Firebomb for the center position, but like most of the positions, it was very close.

    tl;dr I really like Firebomb's team overall, but RedNation's team is more impressive, to me. Point goes to RedNation
     
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    Thanks.

    RedNation:3
    Firebomb:0
     
  11. IzakDavid13

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    Isaiah vs Stockton
    I hate Utah. I hate the Jazz. I hate Stockton. Isaiah in his prime was better, two rings prove that. Stockton could pass the ball and shot at a high %, but Isaiah Would take him to school offensively.
    RedNation

    Iceman vs Barry
    Iceman all the way. Gervin and his finger roll vs Barry and his underarm free throws.
    Iceman was unstoppable when he was on. Both were scorers, Gervin was better.
    RedNation

    T-Mac vs Marion
    13 in 33. Tracy McGrady was an offensive force. Marion was an athlete that could score, rebound and play good D. I pick Tracy, the two time scoring champ, over Marion in this one.
    RedNation

    Nowitzki vs Malone
    Did I mention that I hate Utah & the Jazz? Malone, as good as he was, never one a thing. Dirk has.
    Malone couldn't guard Dirk, Dirk would have trouble guarding Malone...but with Dikembe back there ready to wag his finger, Dirk can afford to let one through every now and then.
    RedNation

    Dikembe vs Gilmore
    Artis Gilmore still holds the NBA record for turnovers in a season, 366 from memory, but he was a player. Rebounds, block, low post scoring, blocks, defence and blocks.
    Did I mention he could block shots?
    Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo also was a shot blocker and rebounder. He looked like a robot when trying to score in the post, but his game was predicated on defence.
    Very close...
    I love ya Deke, but
    Firebomb525

    Bench:
    Firebomb525's bench is awesome, Chauncey Billups and Issel with Eddie Jones.
    But once again totally outgunned by Tiny, Sidney & Dolph.

    Da winner ist....Sidney! (Aussie Olympics joke)
    Rednation bench.

    Rednation sweeps. 4-0


    2:39am down under, goodnight.:)
     
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    Thanks.

    RedNation:4
    Firebomb:0
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Team RedNation
    Pg: Isiah Thomas
    Sg: George Gervin
    Sf: Tracy McGrady
    Pf: Dirk Nowitzki
    C: Dikembe Mutombo
    Bench:
    G: Tiny Archibald
    G/F: Sidney Moncrief
    F/C: Dolph Schayes

    Team Firebomb525
    PG: John Stockton (17 P, 3 R, 14 A, 3 S)
    SG: Rick Barry (37 P, 9 R, 4 A, 2 S)
    SF: Shawn Marion (22 P, 12 R, 2 A, 2 S, 2 B)
    PF: Karl Malone (31 P, 11 R, 3 A, 2 S)
    C: Artis Gilmore (24 P, 18 R, 3 A, 1 S, 3 B)
    Bench:
    PG: Chauncey Billups ( 19 P, 3 R, 9 A, 1 S)
    PF/C: Dan Issel (30 P, 13 R, 2 A, 1 S, 2 B)
    SG/SF: Eddie Jones (20 P, 5 R, 4 A, 3 S, 1 B)

    PG: The thing about Zeke that stood out when I saw him live is that he more or less coasted for 3 1/2 quarters... distributing, taking a few shots, playing good ball. However, if the game was on the line in the 4th, he became a different player. He was faster and quicker than everyone else and he just took over. There was no doubt those Pistons teams were his. This was much more apparent watching the games in person than on TV. That's a long way of saying I like Zeke a little more than Stockton. They both bring their own intagibles, I just like Zeke's more.

    Gervin vs. Barry. First, I'm not sure I would have Barry at SG. He's more of a SF and Marion could play Gervin pretty well I think. Regardless, just looking at what each player brings to a team, I think yo have to give a slight edge to Barry because of passing and rebounding. Gervin is probably the better scorer, but I think Barry is the more complete player.

    Marion vs. McGrady. I think there is a pretty big advantage to prime McGrady here.

    Are there two PF I detest more? All we need is Laimbeer in this game. Anyway, I like Karla's rebounding slightly more, so I'm going with him, though it is close and Dirk creates more of his shots.

    Deke and Artis is a tough call. Prime Artis was not the floor-bound monolith from the post-merger Spurs days. Prime Artis could jump out of the gym and run. Plus, he could sometimes catch the ball. On the other hand, Deke's team does not need him to score. So, individually, I'd go with prime Artis but for these teams and what they would be asked to do, it's pretty much a wash.

    On Team RedNation's bench, I love Sidney as an all-around team guy who will play great defense. I also love what you can get from Prime Tiny, who would start on most teams. Still, I can't help but think you would have been better served picking up another big instead of both these guards. With McGrady, you have the option of spinning him up to the 2, so you have big depth already. I don't see Dolph being able to hang for long with some of the other bigs off the bench.

    Team Firebomb525's bench has their issues too. Looking at the whole roster, you don't really have a true 2. I like the possibility that Billups can slide over if needed, but the roster is heavy on 3s with Barry, Matrix, and Jones. That leaves you with only one backup big and while Dan is all grit and can stretch the floor a bit, he is also undersized compared to some of the frontlines in this league. (That said, under the right circumstances, you could get some 4 minutes from Barry.)

    Even though the individual matchups are reasonably close, I think this goes to Team RedNation. Too much firepower on the wings combined with a very smart PG and a center that allows for risk taking on defense. As much as I like Barry, he's a liability on D in this game whether he's playing the 2 or the 3.
     

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