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All-Time Draft Semifinal: RedNation vs. Fallenphoenix

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by DonatasFanboy, Sep 9, 2012.

  1. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

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    Please break down your vote. You can use this scheme:
    Frontcourt
    Backcourt
    Bench
    Offense
    Defense
    Chemistry (how do players fit on the court)

    Or just explain the main weaknesses / strengths that you think will determine the winner.

    Voters: all participants and VBG and IzakDavid13 as outside judges. Anyone else welcome as well, as long as you explain your vote.

    RedNation

    pg: Isiah Thomas
    sg: Joe Dumars
    sf: Rick Barry
    pf: Kevin Mchale
    C: Hakeem Olajuwon

    Bench:
    G:Tiny Archibald
    G: Dale Ellis
    F: Carmelo Anthony
    F:Chris Webber
    C: Otis Thorpe

    vs.

    Fallenphoenix

    PG: Fat Lever
    SG: Ray Allen
    SF: Paul Pierce
    PF: Tim Duncan
    C: Moses Malone

    Bench
    PG: Mark Price
    SG: Paul Westphal
    SF: Rudy Tomjanovich
    PF: Ben Wallace
    C: Dikembe Mutombo
     
  2. jvu

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    FC close one. Rednation barely
    BC Rednation
    Bench fallen and lol @ 2coaches on the bench.
    Offense Renation
    Defense fallen barely
    Chemistry Even Starters chemistry would go to red and bench chemistry would go to fallen. This is unbiased even though how much I hate melo

    Sorry super busy no time to explain.. Rednations win
     
  3. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

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    :grin: how come no one picked up Phil Jackson? He was a decent big man. Otis Thorpe over Phil? :rolleyes:
     
  4. RedNation

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    Donatas, you can't appreciate otis cause you are a pacers guy :grin:
     
  5. DonatasFanboy

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    hehe maybe...
    but if you took Rik Smits, you'd get my bench vote no matter what. no bias. :grin:
     
  6. RedNation

    RedNation Contributing Member

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    Too bad I don't know who that is :p
     
  7. DonatasFanboy

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    ok, fallen wins in 4, no need to explain why
     
  8. RedNation

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    7 4 dutch center for the pacers. Now you change vote
     
  9. jvu

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    Lol he ha one of the coolest nicknames
     
  10. DonatasFanboy

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    :)
    i'll vote later when i have a bit time. at first glance, can't separate these teams. they look about even at everything.
     
  11. LCAhmed

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    FC: RedNation

    HAKEEM> Tim and Barry > Pierce. McHale<Moses

    BC: RedNation

    Close, but Zeke and Joey D got this one.

    Bench: Fallen

    Super Defense with Offensive PG.

    Offense: RedNation
    Rick Barry is pure offense. Zeke gets the job done.

    Defense: Fat Lev.... I mean Fallen ;)

    Chemistry: RedNation

    BADBOYS has more chemistry than 2/3s of the Celtics Big 3 (or half of the Elite 4)

    Winner: RedNation
     
  12. 123Rockets

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    Incredibly tough matchup, but I think that RN wins. On my phone, so I will explain later.
     
  13. fallenphoenix

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    hmmmm i thought i'd be winning the FC matchup... but i guess this is a rocket's forum
     
  14. DonatasFanboy

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    frontcourt
    This is hard. Barry vs. Pierce, I'd take Barry, but it's fairly close. To me, Pierce prime is somewhere between 08-11, when he went from a scorer to an efficient all around player. Less of a dominant shooter/scorer, but more all around than Barry.
    Duncan - McHale. Duncan, and that's a bigger gap.
    Hakeem - Malone. Hakeem, but it's not a blowout. Two very different players. Hakeem a true center, far better defensively, better creating his shot, better at passing. Moses the better rebounder and hustle point getter, less of a back to the basket guy, more of a 4-5, doesn't create nearly as much for himself or others, but doesn't stop the ball as much. If I want a go-to scorer and creator who can anchor defense, especially on a team without a dominant playmaker, it's Hakeem by a mile. If I want to replace Rodman with someone better on the Jordan Bulls, someone who won't dominate the ball much, I might take Moses.
    Defensively, I like Pierce-Duncan-Moses about the same as Barry-McHale-Hakeem. Offensively, I like the Hakeem unit better in terms of individual talent, but I think the Duncan unit meshes together better.
    So i have to say even, can't separate these.

    backcourt Red
    Isiah over Fat. Dumars and Ray seem close in overall impact. Fallen has size advantage, Red has proven chemistry.

    bench fallen, but it's close

    defense fallen gets advantage because of his bench, I think starting units are equal on defense

    offense Red
    I like how Fallen's unit fits together on offense. It has great passing, solid creators, solid size everywhere, good athleticism, it has the best hustle point getter in this matchup. This team will set a lot of screens, pass a lot, make smart decisions, win the rebounding battle.
    Red has a number of guys who were among the best at creating shots individually. Red's team will stop the ball much more, but individually, his players are more talented offensively.
    Overall, advantage to Red, especially considering the bench.

    chemistry fallen For the reasons above.

    Overall. I'm still not sure and can't separate these teams. I don't see a big flaw that the other team could abuse. But the breakdown is 2-3 + a tie. I'm just going to follow that and say Fallen wins 3-4.
     
  15. Yung-T

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    Imma make it short and say the key thing in this matchup is position 1-3. I'm not going to put Duncan/Malone or McHale/Hakeem over one other and I think this would pretty much even out. The difference in this matchup is, both have great scorers from 1-3, but the thing that seperates is that RedN has two great defenders in Isiah and Dumars, plus a very solid Rick Barry, all guys absolute beasts in their prime and allround guys.

    I don't see a team with Lever, Allen and Pierce, all at the same time starting, winning in an All Time draft for the mentioned reasons.

    RedN in 6.
     
  16. DonatasFanboy

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    4-1 RedNation atm. Unless something drastic happens soon, congrats to Red!
     
  17. RedNation

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    We still got work to do ;)
     
  18. IzakDavid13

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    Frontcourt: could go either way. Fallen...Moses and Tim just edge out Hakeem and McHale.
    Backcourt: again, could go either way. RedNation...Bad to the Bone.
    Bench: RedNation...love that bench.
    Offense: toss of the coin here...Fallen on split decision.
    Defense: RedNation...Dream in the paint...Bad Boys in the back.
    Chemistry: Tied...BadBoys with awesome front court of McHale and dream. The Boston duo with Duncan and Moses...wow. Fallen would have won this outright if Price was still starting. but if I had to pick...Fallen.

    I don't like Rick Barry in the starting line up against Pierce, but that being said Dream and McHale in the post vs Timmy & Moses would be a sight to behold.

    I think that RedNation's bench is awesome, and having that Nigerian center starting also helps.

    FallenPheonix's team is an awesome blend of old school inside - out, it was hard not to give him the win...but overall with his bench depth, RedNation has the better team, just.

    The depth on the bench would tip the scales in his favour, but there is just something about Fallen's team that goes well together...

    It truly could've gone either way. It was a hard choice but...

    Sorry Fallen...it was very close, ( looked at it again and again) but....

    RedNation in 7
     
    #18 IzakDavid13, Sep 10, 2012
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  19. RedNation

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    Eh, just vote on the finals
     

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