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All Time Astros Single Season Lineup

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  1. Marshall Bryant

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    POS YR PLAYER ERA+
    2B 2017 Altuve 160
    C 1966 Bateman 121
    1B 1994 Bagwell 213
    3B 2019 Bregman 163
    SS 2017 Correa 155
    LF 2001 Berkman 161
    CF 1969 Wynn 167
    RF 2004 Berkman 160
    DH 2019 Alvarez 174

    SP 1998 Johnson 322
    SP 2005 Clemens 226
    SP 1981 Ryan 195
    SP 2006 Clemens 194
    SP 2019 Cole 185

    CL 1999 Wagner 267

    RP 2019 Harris 309
    RP 2020 Scrubb 236
    RP 2002 Dotel 234
    RP 1989 Anderson 222

    I only compared Closers with Closers and RP with RP.
    The biggest surprise is Verlander's Cy year (2019-179) doesn't quite make the cut.
    Honorable Mention Berkman 2006-163 at 1B and Berkman 2002-150 in CF giving him 5 seasons with an OPS+ over 150 at 1B, LF, CF, and RF with the Astros. He was a true Utility superstar Y to Y.
     
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    Ah yes, John Alvin Bateman of course. Astros' and MLB GOAT.
     
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    The Mt. Rushmore of relievers has a scrubb on it.
     
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    There are many tweaks possible so I just went with Baseball Reference Qualifiers. Qualified Relievers in an abbreviated season are a very limited sample size. But if I start eliminating shortened seasons, the 1994 Bagwell season and the 1998 Johnson season get thrown out. So I just left Scrubb on there for his outstanding 2020 23.2 innings pitched.
     
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    One of the more ridiculous lists I have ever seen. Scrubb????? Seriously????
     
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    I invite anyone (of sound mind) to make thoughtful comments on how they would improve this list. What is good and what is bad and why?
     
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    Including Scrubb in a list of All Time single season Astros lineup invalidates the list.
    The first thoughtful comment is to remove Scrubb and his 25 inning body of work in 2020 and put in any one of a number of talented relievers that the Astros have had.

    The second thoughtful comment is that you should limit players to only being on the team in one position.

    And, where did you find ERA+ stats for the offensive players?
     
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    Any list that doesn't include the 86 Mike Scott season is invalid. The dude was completely unhittable.
     
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    I'll play

    C 13 Castro (odd, but thin competition)
    1B 94 Bagwell
    2B 97 Biggio
    SS 83 Thon
    3B 19 Bregman
    LF 69 Wynn
    CF 72 Cedeno
    RF 17 Springer
    DH 01 Berkman

    SP 86 Scott
    SP 19 Verlander
    SP 05 Clemens
    SP 19 Cole
    SP 15 Keuchel
     
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    You stole my post. That's EXACTLY what I was planning to write after reading the OP. Completely agree.
     
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    He was certainly a favorite of mine and many others, but his ERA+ was only 161 for the season. Of course ALL pitchers on my list except Ryan came after Scott. But great comment.

    If you choose not to count more than one season for a player, you have to add a pitcher for Clemens and an outfielder for Berkman who both had top caliber seasons in more than one season or position.

    It's hard to leave Johnson's season off too, but it was just a dozen superb games.
     
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    Keep seeing 19 on these lists.... still so hard to believe that JV/Cole/Harris couldn't close the deal. 1-3 in games started by JV/Cole, and, of course, the big hit off the fair pole :(
     
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    On any given day, the best team can still lose. That's the bane of Great Teams and the Hope of not-so-great Teams.
     
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    Every season has to be taken in context. Rule changes, ball changes, steroids, mound changes etc. Mike Scott lead the league in innings pitched, ERA, strikeouts, ERA+, FIP, WHIP, and averaged 10 strikeouts per 9 innings for a season. He also completely shutdown a mets team that won 107 games during the playoffs.
     
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    Cesar Cedeno 1973 has to be in the discussion: .320, 25 HR, 56 SB, .913 OPS, Gold Glove, top ten in multiple other categories. Would have loved to see Cedeno surrounded by some decent players to see what he could do and how he could help hitters once he was on base and a constant steal threat.
     
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    Cedeno, Thon/Correa, Hilalgo 2000, Alou, Berkman, Biggio/Altuve, Bagwell, Bregman

    And Tony Eusebio.
     
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    I suspect you know this, but for those younger folks...Eusebio had one of the longest (in terms of actual days) hitting streaks ever. 24 games over 50+ days.
     
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    Tough Tony.
     

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