Disagree with most of your points. I can see where you're trying to go, but can't follow. I don't like pop music, but think Beyonce is supremely talented. The sex appeal is a part of what helped launch her, but the talent keeps her there. She has all the tools. Thats just my opinion. Sounds like you have music all figured out so there's no point in debating it. Unfortunately I have to leave right now, but maybe later I'll add more. The thing is neither of us looks to change their stance and it would seem both of us appear to have no faith in the others opinion. I can verify only one side of that.
What makes a person a . . Skank? Rocket River Just interested and curious and bored on a saturday night
I really dont want to lend an objective viewpoint, I want to shake my fist like everyone else. First, its not as bad as that vid, but this kinda thing wasn't TOO rare years ago. I remember this kinda stuff on old Star Search back in the 80's (youtube of "Star Search Junior Dancers") The slippery slope justification is the outfits are tools of the trade like swimming trunks, small little track shorts on boys or girls, tight volleyball shorts, that kind of thing. Probably dont see themselves that different. And no one's paying attention to the many ballet and tap dancing performances on youtube. Though the context of the choice of song, the suggestive attire and provocative dances move at that young age is too much, agree. You still have to have a strong parental presence at home. YOU gotta be the one to tell YOUR girl you're NOT going to do that. No matter how much you like Beyonce. A grown person choreographed that whole thing, the children didnt do it all themselves. p*rn is more plentiful than it was before, and I watch more. Am I going to allow my kids to dance to p*rn music soundtracks? No, because I know better.
Hmm, I'm not sure you understand the difference between talent and originality. Madonna was original but some of the worst pop stars out now have more singing or dancing talent than she ever had.
OK, so I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but i have a few points to make: 1: These girls are really good. I'm not much of a dancer (i.e. not at all a dancer) but if you ignore the fact that the choreography is provocative (which isn't the fault of the girls), the talent is obvious and admirable. Calling them the "future strippers of america" is insensitive and just plain wrong. If you want someone to be outraged at, be outraged at the choreographer. 2: I'm going preface this point saying that I am in no way shape or form a Lady Gaga fan, though i do find her music to be horribly catchy. I think Lady Gaga is a victim of this generation's horrible musical tastes. I've seen some of her pre-Gaga work, as well as her acoustic sets and she's actually a very talented musician, though you wouldn't be able to tell from her hit songs. The problem is that fans today like music that is overproduced and easy to grind to, so she sold out and gave them what they wanted. Considering how much money she probably makes now, I can hardly blame her, and I seriously doubt she regrets doing it. It's all about the Benjamins. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bNq1jSqakIQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bNq1jSqakIQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
Im listening to Dido, she doesnt do all the dancing, is just pure voice. in the last album she did, she did the vocals, played the piano, the drums, the recorder (a kind of flaute), wrote the songs, and even she was part in the produce and engineered the album. In the new album she is working, she works in her kitchen, recording in her laptop her songs, then goes to a studio and finishes the song. Also Jewel, doesnt dance (only in the CD 0304, when she tried pop/dance music) in her shows, she shows up with a guitar and doesnt dance or anything, and doesnt do glam shows. and BTW, both are not ugly at all! hehe
Nora Jones. Although I'm iffy on her latest EP. I also love Priscilla Ahn. She's not on the radio or anything, though I've been hearing a lot of her music on TV commercials lately. If you're talking about older musicians of previous generations, we all could provide a long list of musical pioneers. I'm on my annual Stevie Wonder kick at the moment.
originality is a byproduct of exceptional creativity... to possess imagination greater than your peers cannot be classified as a skill... as it cannot be taught.. therefore it is a talent... dancing has become more a prerequisite in the pop world today compared to Madonna's era... when MJ had just upped the ante and ever pop star was starting to incorprate elaborate choregraphy... there is a wider selection of capable choreographers at their disposal now... often provided to them more readily by their labels... they are given the latest dancing trends and taught... the end product is manufactured skill... not a talent... and as far as singing, I'd like to know which "worst pop stars" you're referring to... either you've been fooled by a vocoder... which seems unlikely, or you haven't listened to madonna live... if bottom of the barrel pop "artistis" are singing better... they shouldn't be at the bottom of the barrel... if you're even remotely decent vocally... major labels always find a way to make a pop "artist" work...
The early entertainment industry had performers versatile in everything. They sang, danced, acted, juggled, whatever entertained. Fred Astaire would have hit songs on the charts if they had charts then, and dancing his is legendary skill. Judy Garland, the Rat Pack, same thing. Entertainment got more specialized as it went on. Now Jennifer Lopez isnt what I consider a dynamic talent. But she did what any 1920-50 performer would have done with different ventures. Its like some pro athletes. They dont always just play 1 sport all their life. They play many sports and then go where they can succeed the most. Same with musicians. Not all of them are factory concocted Ashlee Simpsons. Though should an All State wide receiver stick to being 2nd string basketball player for the "integrity" of the sport of basketball? If you can make a living being the next Ace of Base, then go for it.
clearly... and as Sammy Davis Jr put it, "we had to do everything out of necessity, because you never knew what you could be doing the next day"... paraphrasing... as you can see it doesn't exactly apply... if you note the wording... a history a lesson of "show bizness" in america from vaudeville to broadway... isn't pertinent to this discussion... otherwise I would've begun the lecture from page one... also Fred Astaire was a broadway stage dancer... where such singing, dancing and acting doesn't necessarily translate to singing, dancing and acting in a pop music genre as we know it today... he was greatly influential in pop culture... but mainly for his dancing, acting secondly... in song, he was best known for being a composer... vocally, his singing ability wasn't his most admirable quality, but his diction and phrasing... and yes they did "chart" things... what was called "the hit parade"...
