All of you FICKLE FANS need to go find another team to root for

its more about ppl screaming and b****in and whining about EVERY move, no matter what happens, a vast amount of posters are gona whine, this site tends to be glass half empty and sky is falling far too often.. ppl just need to chill the f out and get laid or somethin, chill out

 

One thing I've determined about Clutchfans is that it is a lot like politics. When something happens, the fraction who are the most upset become most vocal and dominate the conversation. No matter what happens, there will be a segment that is upset The more extreme the upset, the louder they scream. It can be distorting to the conversation.

But it just seems to be the way of the world.

I do think that some people should step back and take a couple of deep breaths before posting when they are upset or alternately excited. From what I've seen, the first day or so of posts after something good or bad happens is borderline irrational. After a day or two a measure of perspective seems to set in, as the visceral emotion drains away.

In general, I think people should be less trusting of emotional reactions coming from their reptilian brains, and a little bit more devoted to higher intellect.

 

fixed

 

The explosion of frustration happened. . . THIS YEAR!!!
Last year . . I think 70~80% of the board still had faith
I think this off season has DEVASTATED alot of the fanbase
This is not the 1st sign of trouble
or disappointment .. .
it is just that this year is the STRAW that breaks the camel's back year
IT is not fickled
IT is just . . . that time.

Rocket River

 

Statistically every team should only expect to win a championship once in 30 years. We have 2 since 94 so we're actually above average until 2054.

 

1. We demand that Morey acquire superstars, stars, or all-stars even though we have none to use in a trade. And no old stars neither, only the young ones.
2. We demand Morey should not offer a restricted free agent a contract unless he is guaranteed to win it.
3. Even if the Rockets decide to offer a highly sought after restricted free-agent star a contract, Morey should not overpay. That would be wrong and unfair to Les' pocketbook. In fact, even though this is a competitive situation, we should underpay the market, and other teams should also realize these young players are not worth that much money. Not now or when they improve in the future.
4. We demand that all Rockets unrestricted free-agents henceforth cease and desist testing the market and negotiating with other teams. They should want to stay here in spite of having no stars to play with.
5. We demand that other NBA teams overvalue our role players, like we do, so they will trade their high lottery draft to us, or better yet, trade their young stars to us.
6. We demand that McHale and Morey stop trying to trade for better players and draft picks every year because that hurts our role players feelings. Even though they make millions of dollars a year for playing a game.
7. We demand that McHale let the players dictate the offensive schemes, and who will start over whom. The players won't want to play here otherwise.

 

Morey is all talk

 

As opposed to your....???

 

coming from someone who has 1200 post in 3 months? go get a hobby, pal.

 

You make some good points, but I think you would also fail your own truth serum test. Honestly, do you really think Morey and co. dropped the ball in losing out on any of those stars you mentioned?
Carmelo - only wanted to go to NY
Bosh - Morey was the 1st one at his door, willing to give him the max, yet he wanted to join the suprefriends
Pau - Morey made the trade, Stern vetoed it
Dwight - We've been making offers since Day 1. Sounds like trade ws in place & then Dwight opted in
Eric Gordon - could not offer him the max but reportedly offered pretty hefty package as S&T to NO that they declined

If you're gonna blame Morey on not landing a star, the only one I might accept is one you failed to amnetion: passing on Amare. We could have had him if we were willing to waive his physical but Morey said no. Most of us now agree that we would not be better off paying Amare $100 mil over 5 years.

So, I'm not trying to blow sunshine anywhere near your rear end, but I'm realistic about the Rockets team and our inability to get a superstar. Obviously, it's Morey's responsibility to improve this team, so if it doesn't improve, then it falls on him. However, I want you to be honest in assessing if the failure to land those players was really his fault (meaning, did he screw it up?) I think you can quibble more about the smaller deals that have or have not happened (Dragic, Asik, Lin, etc.), but I think you'll find Morey's track record on role players like these guys to be pretty good. His draft record is way above average, and he has avoided salary cap hell, which is critical if we ever hope to get good again.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Morey, who has clearly lost the sense of invincibiulity on this site. It's about chilling out with the overreaction to the off-season moves that have or have not happened. People who are upset are free to make well-thought out posts about the problems with ownership, management, coaching, or the players. But, trying to keep up with Rockets news lately on the BBS has been nauseating because of the diarrhea coming from angry "fans."

I agree with the OP. We're not saying who can or can't post. But, if you're so pissed off about the direction (or lack of) of the team that you can't post with any grounding to reality, then feel free to leave the BBS. If you can't wait til the season starts to see how the roster shapes up, then find another team that has a perfect roster in place or is making all the right moves to root for. You'll be much happier. The rest of us will be waiting for you when the Rockets start winning again!

 

Moonnumack, you are posting with too much common sense and knowledge. That is making my brain hurt.

 

Change your username to Morey = Moron

 

aka DD

 

Just because we're rebuilding or something doesn't mean we should give away players for anything we can get. You still have to put in work to get the best possible deal. Trading a great value contract and great player for a heavily protected pick is odd if it's a move for the future.

 

I've been a Rockets fan for close to 30 years, I have earned the right to complain about the current situation.

 

Oh please...

I'm sick of people saying "trust management" and "give Morey a chance." We aren't WINNING. That's the bottom line. I don't buy the "they can't force other teams to do what's in our best interest" argument either. That's a given. The whole point is to FIND A WAY to get talent and FIND A WAY to win, both of which this management team has been completely unsuccessful at doing. And yeah I know we've had some bad luck, but I don't give a ****.

 

so every teams fans that ask for the gm to be fired are fickle fans? dude i've been a fan of the rockets since the early 80's… and i can promise you this.. at some point your are judged on your results.. all other rocket gm's were.. i don't know how many years you think morey should get? i'm all for rebuilding but then let's really rebuild and not sign asik or Lin and use that cap space for next seasons free agent class..

 

So, I don't think you're fickle if you have been a long-time fan and want the GM fired, but who do you have in mind and what do you think they could do differently with this squad?

As for Asik and Lin, someone has to man the point and center positions (especially with all our PFs), so why not a couple of younger guys with some upside. Starting 5 rookies will not work. Also, the way their offers are structured, they won't be costing us cap space next season or the one after that. If we're going to try to attract free agents next season, as you suggest, we can't be total crap.

 

I agree completely. It's time to start planning for the 13' FA class.

 

True. You also see the fallacy in both places of people over-simplifying the mass-conversation as a simple binary. 'First you people wanted x and then you people contradicted yourselves bt wanting y. Make up your minds.' Individuals tend to be consistent but the ebb and flow of different voices makes the group sound fickle. Honestly, when OP criticizes people for crapping on the team, I don't know if he's talking about me or not.

Honestly, yes I do. I cut all the stuff about how it wasn't possible or inadvisable. Morey set a plan -- 'Get Carmelo Anthony' -- and failed. If it wasn't possible, he wasted his time and sacrificed other, more promising options. If we're better off without that chucker, he imperiled the franchise. If it was a good idea and within his grasp, he failed to execute. Same with all those other targets. There isn't a good way to look at a plan a person came up with himself and didn't meet his own targets. He dropped the ball on every single one of those.

If at work, I set a plan to improve my forecasting accuracy by 500 basis points, and at the end of the year my accuracy didn't improve at all, what am I to tell my boss? Improving accuracy wasn't really possible after all? He'll ask me why I wrote it down in my goals in the first place. Fact is, the bonus attached to that goal won't be in my paycheck. It doesn't matter what the context is.