And this is it folks. Round 1.........................................................RO UND 3 1. RocketsRed14- C- Hakeem Olajuwon......1. SG- Tracy Mcgrady 2. RoxSqaud- SG- Michael Jordan..............2. PG- Gary Payton 3. Horry33- C- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar..........3. PG- Bob Cousy 4. BleedRocketsRed- SF- Larry Bird............4. PG- Jason Kidd 5. VBG - PG- Magic Johnson......................5. PF- Charles Barkley 6. rimrocker- PG- Oscar Robertson..............6. PF- Bob Pettit 7.authentic91- C- Shaquille O'neal.............7. PF- Kevin McHale 8.thething- C- Wilt Chamberlain................8. PF- Kevin Garnett 9. RowdyRicky- PG- John Stockton...............9. SG- Clyde Drexler 10. fadeaway- C- Bill Russell...................10. PG- Walt Frazier 11.ICanDunkOnYao- PF- Tim Duncan........11. C- Bill Walton 12. RKREBORN - C- Moses Malone...........12. SG- Alex English Round 2....................................................ROUND 4 1. RKREBORN - PG- Jerry West................1. SF- Scottie Pippen 2. ICanDunkOnYao -SF- Julius Erving........2. SG- Dwayne Wade 3. Fadeaway -SF- Elgin Baylor.................3. SG- George Gervin 4. RowdyRicky -C- David Robinson...........4. PF- Dennis Rodman 5. Thething -SG- Kobe Bryant.................5. SF- Rick Barry 6. Authentic91 -PG- Isiah Thomas............6. SF- Dominique Wilkins 7. rimrocker -PG- Tiny Archibald...............7. C- Arvydas Sabonis 8. VBG - SF - Lebron James....................8. C- Dwight Howard 9. BleedRocketsRed - PF - Elvin Hayes......9. SG- Michael Cooper 10. Horry33 -PF- Karl Malone..................10. SG- Allen Iverson 11. Roxsquad -PF- Dirk Nowitzki..............11. SF-James Worthy 12. RocketsRed14 -SF- John Havlicek.......12. PF-Dave Debusschere Round 5...................................................Round 7 1.RocketsRed14 -PG-Steve Nash...................1.Authentic91- SG/PG- Joe Dumars 2.Roxsquad -C- Patrick Ewing.......................2.SF -Ron artest 3.Horry33 -SF- Kevin Durant........................3.C - George Mikan 4.BleedRockertsRed -C- Dikembe Mutombo......4. PG- Maurice Cheeks 5.VBG -SG - Ray Allen.................................5. SF- Paul Pierce 6.Rimrocker -PF- Bob Mcadoo.......................6.SF- Connie hawkins 7.Authentic91-SG-Reggie Miller.....................7. PF/C- Ben Wallace 8.Thething -PG- Chris Paul............................8. PF/C- Dave Cowens 9.RowdyRicky-SF- Adrian Dantley..................9. PG- Deron Williams 10.Fadeaway-SG- Pete Maravich..................10. SG/SF- Chris Mullin 11.ICanDunkOnYao-PG- Dennis Johnson........11. C - Robert Parish 12.RKREBORN-PF-Wes Unseld .....................12. PG - Calvin Murphy Round 6.....................................................ROUND 8 1.RKREBORN -PG- Earl Monroe........................1. PF/C - Darryl Dawkins 2.ICanDunkOnYao -SF- Grant Hill....................2. SF/PF - Robert Horry 3.Fadeaway -C/PF- Willis Reed.......................3. PF/C - Dolph Schayes 4.RowdyRicky-C/F- Jerry Lucas......................4. PF- Amar'e Stoudemire 5.Thething-PG- Derrick Rose..........................5. SG/SF- Vince Carter 6.RocketsRed14- Nate Thurmond...................6.RocketsRed14 PG/SG- Hal Greer 7.Rimrocker -SG- Sidney Moncreif...................7. C- Artis Gilmore 8.VBG - PG - Kevin Johnson...........................8. C- Yao Ming 9.BleedRockertsRed - SG - Manu Ginobili..........9. C- Spencer Haywood 10.Horry33 -SF - Carmelo Anthony.................10. SF- Penny Hardaway 11.Roxsquad -C- Alonzo Mourning..................11. PG- Rajon Rondo 12.RocketsRed14 -SF-Bernard King ................12. authentic91 -SF/SG- Paul Arizin
Sweet. Ok, so we're doing both a whatif sim and Clutchfans matchups right? How do we determine who plays who?
And as great as the individual players are, every team is, in my view, flawed to some degree. RocketsRed14 - Love the Dream, Dumars, and King picks, but too many small forward types, not enough PF oomph to give your centers a hand. RoxSqaud - Great backcourt. Like the Artest pick to toughen up your forward rotation. Your centers are good and they will play hard, but in this league is that enough? Horry33 - Great C/PF combo, but your top two guards are small and I think as great and innovative as Cousy was, your pick overvalued him. I might start Penny at PG and get some size. I think you got good value in rounds 7 and 8, but I'm not crazy about Carmelo against this competition, especially on the D end. BleedRocketsRed - There are only a few great winners in the history of the game and you got one of them in Bird. However, you immediately needed a second tier center who can catch Bird's passes... I don't think that's Deke. Cooper was probably a little high at that pick, but I can see why you did it, though in my view there were four defensive SGs worthy of consideration: Moncrief, Dumars, Cooper, and Alvin Robertson and I think you could have gotten one of them with a lower pick. VBG - In any league like this, Magic is probably MVP. Great pick. I also like that you built the team around Magic and had a philosophy you followed with your picks. Barkley in the third is a huge steal, but he's all by himself. I would have considered a big, D-oriented 4 in place of Pierce, who seems a little redundant in light of your other wing players. rimrocker - Some very odd picks. It's almost as if there were two minds picking this team. Center is the big issue with all the greats on other teams. Sabonis is an OK pick (though a bit of a panic pick from looking at the other Centers) because he will pull the block-minded Centers away from the basket, but in this league, Sabonis/Gilmore are probably a net liability. The forwards spots look like great value, but I'm a little worried about the attitude McAdoo and Hawkins are going to bring. Tiny was probably picked 2-3 rounds ahead of where he should have been and I don't see how you can go with 2 PGs in the first 2 rounds. Moncrief is necessary given the other SGs. authentic91 - Great starting frontline. Zeke looks like he was picked too soon. Dumars is a solid pick for that round. Like VBG, you needed another PF. Still, one of the scarier teams picked. Good job. thething - Solid rotation. Barry and CP3 should be able to dish enough to keep Wilt and Kobe more or less happy, though you have to wonder, who's team will it be? About the only other issues are reaching for Rose and picking a team-killer like VC. RowdyRicky - This team has some great players, but it doesn't scare me at all. I think you reached for Stockton in Round 1, particularly when you could have had Russell, Duncan, or Moses. Also, Robinson and Rodman didn't like each other when they played together... how will this affect your chemistry? Solid value for Clyde in Round 3. Good mix of positions. fadeaway - I like your first 4 picks, but where's your PF? A C/PF rotation of Russell/Reed/Dolph puts too much pressure on Russell, particulalry against teams with two Centers. Good value for Mullin. ICanDunkOnYao - Excellent starting 5, though Walton and Duncan are going to have to work out who gets the low post, as you essentially have two centers (yes, I know Tim is listed as a PF). Guarding a great offensive 4 is also going to be tough for Tim. The Chief is a serviceable backup C, but Thurmond, Gilmore and others were still out there. Good value for the Grant Hill pick. RKREBORN - I always thought Alex was a SF, not a SG. If so, he and Pippen play the same spot. You might get away with Wes at the PF spot, but he was more a center and DD was a true center. Like others, you need a solid PF. Do you really need 3/8 of your team to be PGs (though West can play SG)? In conclusion, there are two teams I think are a little bit above the rest: VBG and authentic91 with thething right there if he can find a coach to meld that group.
I say we make 4 threads with polls to start off with three teams in each. Poll shuts down in...3-4-5 days? It would look like this: Who has the better team? TeamA TeamB TeamC Four threads cover all twelve teams. In the end there will be four teams left. Two more threads: Team A vs. Team B and Team C Vs. Team D With the Final thread being the top two: Team A vs. Team C .... I mean it is the offseason...Let clutchfans vote.
Not much. You started this thread... You pick the three teams for each thread... In the 4-5 days the poll has the three teams gets to make their case on why they should move on to round 2.
This is qualitative not quantitative right? rimrocker's team: PG - Oscar Robertson SG - Sidney Moncrief SF - Connie Hawkins PF - Bob McAdoo C - Arvydas Sabonis Bench: G - Tiny Archibald F - Bob Pettit C - Artis Gilmore
thank you for posting i was confused about yours. i thought it was tiny at point and oscar at sg like i saw posted on here awhile ago
Gotta be qualitative. Also are we looking at which team is better over a season or head to head in a playoff series? VBG's Team PG – Magic Johnson SG – Ray Allen SF – Lebron James PF – Charles Barkley C – Dwight Howard Bench - Bench Guard – Kevin Johnson Bench Forward – Paul Pierce Bench Center – Yao Ming
Either Schayes or Reed. Both are pretty equal in my view. Schayes is more of a pure PF but Reed had some great seasons at the position too.
@ rimrocker, thank you for your analysis of each team. I took over this team in round 3. I didn't pick Stockton or Robinson. Best of luck fellas.
Nice to hear an other person's view on my team. I took over the team after the 3rd round. I would have taken Pippen over Cousy possibly ending up with a starting lineup of Iverson, Durant, Pippen, K.Malone, and Kareem.
