It wouldn't be a crunch time maneuver. I'd put Jordan on Robertson and Payton on Moncrief to start the game. You're severely overrating Robertson. Jordan is one of the best perimeter defenders of all-time. The only person he had trouble with was Magic due to Magic's size and length. Robertson doesn't have that luxury. I think it'd be fair to say that Jordan would score more against Robertson that Robertson would against Jordan. SF and SG are interchangeable. You have Moncrief, Hawkins, and Robertson dividing up the SG/SF positions. And then you have Robertson/Archibald dividing up the PG minutes. You're overplaying Robertson. Roxsquad has Jordan, Worthy, and Artest splitting the SG/SF minutes, and you can even slide Dirk to SF if you want a bigger lineup. Prime Sabonis didn't play in the NBA. You get Sabonis' corpse. Ok, they're both great scorers. But you can't teach size. Dirk is 7' and McAdoo is 6'9. Advantage goes to Dirk. Mourning and Ewing should both scare you. They arent going to have to shoot jumpers over taller players. If Gilmore/Sabonis try to get close enough to defend the jumper, Ewing/Mourning have the quickness to go right around them.
That's fine. Jordan guarding Oscar or Moncrief all game while I play Tiny for 25 minutes or so is a plus for me. Oscar and Sid will be well rested for the last 4 minutes. This would definitely play to my advantage during a long series. And oh yes, 16-4. I think you're severely underestimating him, particularly compared to players you saw on ESPN. Saying the only person MJ had trouble with is not exactly accurate. Did other guards score as much as Jordan? Usually not. But to say nobody caused him trouble is ridiculous. Robertson is close to having that luxury as he is big enough and certainly stronger than MJ. Besides, Oscar doesn't have to carry the scoring load as I have scorers all over the roster. And oh yes, 16-4. Probably. But I also think it is fair to say the advantage Oscar would have in assists and rebounds would more than offset that scoring advantage. And oh yes, 16-4. My 96 minute guard rotation looks like this generally: 35/35/26. When Tiny comes in I can slide Oscar to SG or give him a rest. That's not overplaying anyone. On MJ's team, there's only one guy capable of playing SG and that's MJ (certainly not Rondo!). That you can even question my guard minutes when MJ and Payton have to play the majority of the game is hilarious. While SF and SG are interchangeable on some teams, on my team, PF and SF are interchangeable. All three of my forwards are MVPs, Scoring leaders, and 6'8" or over. All can post up, spot up, drive, and finish on the break. All three rebound as good or better than any F or C on your team. I could go large with Oscar at point, Hawkins at SG, Pettit and McAdoo at the forwards, and one of my centers. Or, I could go small with Tiny and Oscar, Hawkins and Pettit, and McAdoo at Center. My lineup is significantly more flexible than yours. And oh yes, 16-4. 16-4. If I get prime Sabonis and Hawkins, I probably go 20-0. McAdoo has a 7'3" wingspan, three time consecutive scoring champ, and is more athletic than Dirk. Remember, Dirk is going to have to guard somebody. And oh yes, 16-4. Yes, they will work hard and yes they will do some damage on both ends, and like my two, neither one of those guys is carrying a team in this league. And oh yes, 16-4. This is getting boring. I don't know how many times I can tell you that you are unfairly maligning past players because either you didn't see them growing up or they weren't on the WWL. Respect the game. And oh yes, 16-4.
I just did that Whatif thing for 20 games against each team and came up with: rimrocker: 24-16 RocketsRed14: 18-22 Roxsquad: 18-22 For Player of the Game, I saw a lot of Jordan, Dream, McGrady, Oscar, and McAdoo. Gilmore also had at least one. I assigned the same players and years to the last four slots. I took the worst Houston years of Bill Willoughby, Scott Brooks, Nevitt, and Major Jones and gave them 0 minutes for each team.
I just tried that Whatif thing too. 93/94 Rockets vs 93/94 Knicks for a 7 game stretch with the Rockets having homecourt advantage for 4 of the games. Knicks won 5 out of the 7 games.
Well the series was absolutely dead even. Starks doesn't have a historically bad shooting night and the Knicks win. Whatifsports doesn't simulate clutchness which is what the Rockets had.
And it's incredibly flawed. Come on now. It said that in a 7 game stretch, the 93-94 Knicks would beat the 93-94 Rockets 5 times out of 7 with 4 of those games being played at the Summit. How is this credible at all? And no, it wasn't a hyperbole. You put "16-4" at the end of each of your responses.
I've watched basketball since the late 80's. Magic was the only backcourt player that Jordan was incapable of guarding. You're overrating Robertson. I looked at his team from the season he averaged his highest rpg (12.5). He played 44 mpg which was by far the most on his team. The tallest player on his team (6'10) played 6 mpg. The next tallest player (6'9) played 18 mpg. Jordan's highest rpg average was 8. He played 40 mpg, and 7'1 Bill Cartwright averaged 30 mpg. 6'11 Dave Corzine averaged 18 mpg. 7'0 Brad Sellers averaged 22 mpg. 6'10 Horace Grant averaged 36 mpg. So no, Robertson doesn't have the rebounding advantage. I don't know if it's fair to talk about an assist advantage b/c Robertson plays PG and Jordan plays SG. If you slide Oscar to SG, then you're overplaying Oscar. If you rest Oscar, then you're overplaying Moncrief. Like I said before, SF and SG are interchangeable. You have Moncrief, Hawkins, and Robertson dividing up the SG/SF positions. And then you have Robertson/Archibald dividing up the PG minutes. You're overplaying Robertson. Roxsquad has Jordan, Worthy, and Artest splitting the SG/SF minutes, and you can even slide Dirk to SF if you want a bigger lineup. If you're PFs are undersized enough that they're capable of guarding SF's, then they're simply too small to guard RoxSquad's PF/C's (Ewing, Dirk, Mourning). Countered by a lineup of Jordan, Artest, Dirk, Mourning, Ewing. Countered by a lineup of Payton, Jordan, Worthy, Artest, and Dirk. Dirk's defense has really improved over the years. He's not the defensive liability that everyone thinks he is. And he has one of the most unguardable shots in NBA history. Respect the game? Seriously? I'm not the one claiming that my 6'9, 205 lb PF is versatile enough to guard a 6'9, 225 lb SF and a 7'0, 235 lb PF.
wekko, you are taking the fun out of this big time. Parts of your last post are eerily similar to previous ones and I'm tired of going around and around on the same points like this is D&D. I've made my case. There's nothing I can say, no fact I can point out, no stats I can cite, no authorities I can quote that will change your mind. I happen to think the team I picked is the best one in this bracket, yet the team you like is crushing me in a meaningless poll. So, what's the point? Spoiler Oscar's the Point!
and RimRocker 16:4 said, " 'Let there be whatifsports, and may it spring forth great hyperbole in my name,' and saw that it was good." :grin:
I have to go with Rimrocker. Oscar, Connie Hawkins and Sabonis in the starting line up! My favorite player on that list is Dream but Nash, Hondo and TMac will get owned by either Payton, Jordan and Worthy or Oscar, Moncrief and Hawkins. Sabonis in his prime is the only center in the bunch that can play with Dream. Rimrockers team can play elite offense, elite defense and is easily the team with the highest basketball IQ. Oscar and Sabonis are probably the two pest passers in the entire list. Dream and Nate are both great defenders but the back court just can not handle the other two teams.
