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All NBA draft Matchup 2 Arjun vs. dharocks

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by Spooner, Sep 14, 2011.

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Which team do you think is BETTER?

Poll closed Sep 18, 2011.
  1. Arjun

    18.9%
  2. dharocks

    81.1%
  1. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    Since we're ignoring defense and talking about how he's going to fit in the offense, it seems like PER is the ideal metric to use.

    I'm basing it off his 10-11 season which is the baseline we all used. It's not my fault he had a crummy year.

    That's fine. That was my point. You can't run an offense through Hinrich.
     
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    If we're just talking about offense, it seems to me that ORtg would actually be the ideal metric to use. Or if we're actually talking about how he fits in to the offense, we can choose not to rely on either statistic and just ask ourselves if he meets the requirements of the offense, which are:

    1. Bring the ball up the floor (check)
    2. Run the fast break when the opportunity presents itself (check)
    3. Hit open 3s in the half court (check)
    4. Limit turnovers (check)
    5. Make an occasional dribble drive and dump the ball off to Howard or kick to open shooters (check)
    6. Make post entry passes (check) and quickly reverse the ball to open shooters when the ball's passed back out (check)

    This is basically saying that because he had a 12.4 PER last year, he'll have one this year, in a different offense, playing a different role, with different teammates against different defenses. I disagree with that idea I don't think that his 2010-11 PER is representative of his ability, and I think that his abilities will come through by being placed in a system that better takes advantage of his strengths
     
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    Of course other teams can stop him from getting deep positioning. Otherwise, he'd be getting dunks or going to the line every possession. Teams with legit 7 footers with size can single cover Dwight just fine.

    SSOL is a hard offense to run if you can't get rebounds, and outside of Dwight, you don't have a strong rebounding team Also, Nash hasn't run SSOL in 4 years. It's more likely that a faster paced offense would tire him out quicker and he wouldn't be able to play an effective 35 minutes.

    You're underestimating how long 5 minutes of game time is.
     
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    That's fine. Like I said before, my point was that Hinrich/Gordon are incapable of creating the offense when Nash and Dwight are on the bench. And it looks like you agree.

    Once again, BleedRocketsRed has proven himself to be braindead.
     
  5. dharocks

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    Putting aside the fact that he's at the top of the league in dunks and FTA every year, the 7-footer he's going against in the next round is Brook Lopez. I'm not concerned.

    Gibson averaged 9.5 boards per 36 minutes last year. Anderson averaged 9.0. Butler and Smith are both good rebounding wings. Gentry was a D'Antoni assistant and has been running SSOL since he became head coach. Every single one of these points is incorrect.

    Teams average about 90 possessions per 48 minutes. 90/48 * 5 = 9. And those 5 minutes are likely going to be against the other team's 2nd unit. You're not thinking this through.
     
  6. wekko368

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    "Per 36" is the most useless metric ever conceived. It assumes a constant efficiency while ignoring fatigue. If you plan on playing Howard 38 minutes, that means that Gibson/Anderson need to play a total of 58 minutes. Considering they averaged a total of 42 minutes last season, that means they'd each have to add an additional 8 minutes to their playing time. That's a substantial increase in playing time.

    I understand your point about Gentry, but the Suns usually had the highest pace in the league during the D'Antoni years. Last year, they were 7th.

    I'm thinking how my team would fare against yours. My 2nd unit would most likely be Jameer Nelson, Landry Fields, Mike Miller, Nene, and Nazr Mohammad. During that 5 minute stretch, I wouldn't be surprised if my team outscored yours by 10-15 pts.
     
  7. Spooner

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    Look at all matchups between Brook and Howard.
    Dwight outscored Brook in 6 out of the 10 games they've met. I really don't think it would be domination. I dont have Arjun's frontcourt. I don't know why there is such a knock on Brook's defense. He is a legit 7 footer. Rebounding is another story, but he has proven to be a decent man defender.

    Kevin Love has matched up against Dwight at center 6 times. You could argue that Love lost 3-4 of those matchups. Dwight definitely won 3 of those. The most recent matchup is debatable.

    I would put Courtney Lee on Nash, as I'm sure you would have Hinrich on Rose.

    I would play Love at the 5 and Beasley at the 4 for stretches. That would force Dwight out of the paint being matched up with Love. This would give a little more space for Rose to penetrate. Beasley would have a field day against Taj.

    Anyway, looking forward to it. Should be a good matchup.
     
  8. Jmcballer88

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    Spooner your team is the best hands down
     

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