Alexander, Morey and Front Office Appreciation Thread

Excellent, I will. I'm sure Internet points are the only urgency you have an supply of.

 

Blah blah blah. I literally need a nap after this yawner of a read.

 

Lol, you are really bad at this.

Head over to D&D sometime, let the pros show you how it's done.

Have fun shouting at your monitor.

 

You really seem bent out of shape over this. Maybe go and take a walk or something.

 

Sorry, I am not feeling it. Results are what count, everything else is just unwanted noise. For years the Rockets have been running in place, running yes but going nowhere. There is no award for that.

 

I applaud this post

 

It's kinda sad seeing the Rockets like this

We cant' get anybody from the free agency. We missed out on sweepstakes last year, and now we missed on some border line all stars this free agency.

Something tells me the future is not as bright as it may seem.

To be blunt with most of you (and i know i'm gonna get hate for this), I think Morey needs to be fired or quit. His statistics vision is not helping the rockets. He made statistics move, but in the end they seem to bite him in the ass.

Shane Battier trade
Signing Artest then letting him go
Signing Ariza then trading him
Trading for Martin but now trying to get him off the roster.
Signing bunch of role players in the hope of trading them

It seems like he is making lateral moves in the hopes of finding a diamond in the rough. But why not build through the draft. We are stuck in medicre and Morey and Les seem to be very happy about that.

Les really doesn't care about winning. He cares about finding a marquee player to come and play so it brings people into the seats. Les was never THAT serious about bringing a championship. He is desperate at this point trying to find another cash cow, but again nobody is interested.

I think that the Rockets need to have a plan, either find a way to compete NOW or blow it up. Because at this rate, we won't be able to find any superstar level player through free agency. Time to farm up.

 

No, I expected Morey to bring in a good nucleus of players to build around and with an EXPERIENCED coach who gets the maximum out of his players.

After 32 transactions in two years, where is the core nucleus of this team?

 

The Anti Anti-Morey Conversation:

I can't stand people that spout this nonsense...

Since the Rockets last won a championship:

8 Teams have won an NBA championship 22 HAVE NOT

Only 13 Teams have even BEEN to the Finals 17 HAVE NOT

I'd put a fairly substantial wager that at the end of this year those numbers will still be the same.

Any GM that has worked for any of those 17 non-Finals teams over the past 15 years must be AWFUL.

Go cheer on the Astros... they went to the World Series only 6 years ago... their GM(s..zzzzz..... empty offices?) must know how to get results.

Go cry about how Morey turned Rudy Gay into Hasheem Thabeet.

Go do anything but post drivel in here about how Morey isn't "getting results".

 

To add to ur point, how is adelman not a better choice for what morey was trying to do? They let adelman go because they wanted to see the young guys play and adelman never said he was against it. This "trade" has been brewing for months. If this was moreys idea for months, how can adelman not be the better option? Its because as calculating as morey is, he's desperate and doesn't have a direction. There I said it because that's what it looks like to me

If les won't let morey do his job, quit. As I said earlier, I think the les argument is an excuse. History has shown les will let the gm do his job. The year after getting bounced in the playoffs and with an aging superstar, the gm 1 starter and bench players into the #2 draft pick. After a couple of asg, that flawed player turned into a 24 yr old superstar talent. When the 1-11 combo needed a vet, numbers were displayed to show why the vet was a better option than one of the best talents in the draft. During all, I never heard how meddlesome or handcuffing of an owner les was. Posters on this board think the rockets have the hard working front office. Its like the other teams f.o. just sit around and eat doughnuts all day. Like donnie,buford, kups, just play 360 all day. Give me a break.

 

The Rockets appear directionless because they don't have that corner-stone player yet. It doesn't mean they are just making moves haphazardly. I think they are planning things out, but they also can't put all their eggs in one basket. So, they're trying to make the set-up moves that will put them in position to make the big home-run move when the opportunity presents itself.

I think they decided not go bring back Adelman because he expressed disapproval about them overturning the roster. Also, I think part of it was they wanted to add some more defensive-minded coaches to the staff and Adelman wasn't going to allow that.

 

Morey rocks. My complaint over the last year or two was that he wouldn't reach for a good big, nor for a star. He had to win every trade, meaning we'd have to wait a while for the home run.

Well, he certainly went for it this time. Impressive as all get-out. He'll come up with another one this season.

 

Good thread, Carl Herrera. I agree.

There are two things nobody can blame Morey for:

- handing out ridiculous contracts
- not constantly trying to improve the team

Morey goes for it. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

I'm very happy he is our GM.

 

The problem is we've been waiting on the "homerun" move for four years. Each time it hasnt happened the notion is,"Morey has more tricks up his sleeve". I'm sorry, you dont win build a champion by collecting flipable assets and firing HOF coaches.

I respect your opinion, but it sounds like your shifting blame off of Morey. I dont think Adelman liked Morey's media loving attitude in which he constantly went on radio and referred to his players as "assets" (which he eventually denied). Obviously the series of lateral moves and 32 transactions in two years probably played it parts as well.

I just dont think Morey understands the basketball aspect of the NBA. He just looks at numbers and +/- stats, but doesnt quite grasp the inner details of how the game is played

 

I think the clock for making the 'homerun" move started 2 years ago, not 4 years ago. That's when it was clear the McGrady/Yao core was a failure and the team needed to go in a different direction.

I'm not blaming Adelman or Morey. Its clear that Morey wasn't happy with the talent level of the team (nor are you, right?), and he has been aggressively shopping players in order to increase our chances of making that "homerun" move. We know Adelman wasn't happy about this, because he said so in the press. It was also reported that Morey wanted to make some changes or additions to the coaching staff and Adelman was against that.

It looked like there was some brewing friction between the two, and maybe Les's apparently frosty relationship with Adelman contributed. I'm not going to say one was right and the other was wrong. Like I said at the time, I would have liked them to work out their differences and for Adelman to be retained.

 

Durvasa, I like how morey went and got those guys from the 09 draft. If you can't get high enough in the lotto, the change of scenery thing works for me. In saying all that, you need to open space to see if they can play. They need to see if flynn,hill,thabeet,or williams can become all star quality or impact players. We know what martin, scola,and hayes are capable of, but we need to know that chase,patterson, and the 09 draft class is about. The wizards traded rasheed because they had a logjam. The blazers traded j oneal because they had a logjam. The rockets need to find out if 1 of these guys are like that. The only way you do it is by trading older guys and playing the young guys. What you can't do is wanting the young guys to play, but then keeping maxxed out talent guys like hayes and scola. I might even put martin in there, but he's really good at what he does.

I dunno, but I would rather play lowry,chase,patterson,and thabeet and allow those guys to grow than getting a guy like gasol at 19m and nene @ 15m plus giving up patterson and lee or some of the young talent. Pick a lane, stay in it.

 

The thing I do appreciate about Morey is that we haven't taken on a ton of bad contracts and signed overpaid idiots. I think most teams have gotten smarter on this, although not all, and compared the CD era we seem to make better personnel decisions on the whole.

The part I'm most confused by is our overall strategy. I was fairly convinced that we were pursuing a youth movement when we brought in the likes of T-Will, Thabeet, Morris, 2Pat, Bud, JHill and bringing in a development oriented coach in McHale. Then we nearly traded half our team and a valuable 2012 1st round pick for Gasol and were ready to sign Nene to a max contract - moves which were completely short term in focus and probably don't make us a championship team anyway. I know they don't want to commit to a youth/rebuilding movement publicly but it seems they don't want to commit to a strategy period, and that's sort of worrying.

 

1) LA would still have ways to go to build that core. They would have been left very thin up front.
2) Force? Rofl. Mediocre at best which is where they are at.
3) Given away? We were getting an All-Star.
4) New York's 1st which isn't expected to be very good.
5) Far superior to any player on this roster. A player we could attempt to build around unlike anybody on our current roster. Furthermore, the plan was to play him at PF and he is one of the elite ones in this league.

Everything you stated is a myth.

 

Lolwtfusmokin?

Battier deal made sense when we made it. He was a solid starter for the Rockets for several years. He was the perfect complement player around Yao-Mac due to his defense/shooting/IQ. Battier and Gay are both above-average role players. One is just sexier due to him being more offensive minded than defensive.

We traded for Artest (did not even give up anything of real value) and he walked.

We signed Ariza and traded him for a younger/cheaper/better player in Lee.

We are trying to package Martin for a star-level player.

Not even sure wtf you are talking about in the last bullet point.

 

Morey has been a good GM. I have a slight beef with Les not wanting to pay lux tax for years when Yao/Tmac was in their prime and had a few relatively healthy years