Cleveland has FINALLY started drafting well the past few years, and having top draft picks aren't guarantees. The first few busted picks since inception really put us in the hole - Couch #1 overall, Courtney Brown #1 overall, Gerrard Warren #3 overall.
No one is a bigger bust than David Carr...ever. David Carr has been a bigger bust than Alex Smith and/or Pam Anderson. He is the living embodiment of that internets term: Epic Fail. The game against Chicago was the saddest performance by a QB I ever saw with these two eyes. He's the worst pro athlete of all time. He transcends sports in his failure. And the excuses made for him were all written by Saddam's press representative. Football and indeed the world are worse places for it all.
Alex Smith was never good. In college he thrived in a gimmick offense against weak opposition. He never had it. The NFL is hung up on falling in love with guys and then trying to make them succeed. Tavaris Jackson? Are you kidding? They simply want the guy to succeed, they put him out there, pat him on the back, surround him with weapons, duuuuude. The guy won't be in the league in the next 3 years. Carr showed way more in college and early on. But same concept. People basically tried to will him into a legit starting QB. It works in the corporate world, its all about hookups, who you know. But not in sports.
tell us how you realllllly feeeeeel! Ryan Leaf was the worst QB I ever saw. His rookie season was unparalleled sucktitude. Plus he was a giant douche.
truth be told...i'm to carr what vy-haters are to vy...in that it's really about all the excuses made for him that make me want to vomit.
exactly, it was doomed to fail. I'll go ahead and bring vince young into this, the similarities between his career and smith's are so striking I always have to. both led teams to undefeated seasons their last year, both played in the same spread option, both led the nation in passing efficiency. but when alex came out, even though this was a default pick, everyone was okay with this pick, when vince comes out, you got people coming out of the woodworkds questioning taking someone who ran that offense so high. alex is lucky because he's also probably least hyped number pick quarterback in history (honestly, david wasn't that hyped outside houston) so he has gotten a free ride. he seemed to come along though but then regressed last season. also, next qb in this draft, aaron rogers
this raises the question which is better? sitting a qb for 4 years like rodgers or throwing him in right away. remember peyton manning's first season, the threw a gazillion interceptions
i think peyton turned out alright. i don't think there's an absolute rule on that....it's case by case depending on the QB and the team's situation.
I don't think there is a right or wrong. I would say ideally sitting is best. But some guys can bounce back, the best ones. One thing is certain though, no rookie QB can be good as a starter his 1st year. Not in the modern NFL.
tom freaking brady actually...he didn't start playing until his 2nd year. sorry. i just think of that as his rookie season.
Both of those drafts were horrible drafts for quaterbacks in the first round. With carr, who else were you going to pick? The pianist, joey harrington? wladyslaw in his youth could probably throw a better pass than joey. I'm no bill parcells, but I will offer my best advice to San francisco free of charge. Say no to high price free agents, and continue to build through the draft.
LOL. Which shows sitting is probably best. Roethlisberger did well managing his team but he had to be in the perfect situation. And when he needed to make plays you could tell he wasn't ready. He made some plays with his feet though. It was their defense, run game, o-line, and coaching though.
Exactly, the best ones have success whether you sit them or play them right away Manning played right away...Palmer sat Both great quarterbacks Young sat and Aikman played right away Both great quarterbacks Ben Roethlisberger played his rookie season after the injury to Tommy Maddox got injured and went 13-0 to finish the regular season (14-1 including playoffs)...one of the QBs that had a big success his rookie season...but credit to the run game and defense for the 13-0...Big Ben managed the offense real well
YOUNG (Steve ) he sat for awhile cause of Joe, but he turned out alright. however its not like he didn't get his fair share of criticism. However, he did have that Jerry Rice guy and they did win a Superbowl.
wow what a horrible top 10, I only see rolle+ Edwards as successfull and maybe "adam" jones if you consider the times he stayed out of trouble
There are examples of QBs being succesful if thrown out right away as rookies (Manning, Aikman) just as there are ones that are successful after sitting for a couple years. Every situation is completely different.
Dallas Cowboys: Danny White (Roger Staubach) San Diego Chargers: Johnny Unitas (Dan Fouts) San Francisco 49ers: Jeff Garcia (Steve Young) New England Patriots: Tom Brady (Drew Bledsoe) Buffalo Bills: Doug Flutie (Jim Kelly), even though this was the next season after Kelly retired. Minnesota Vikings (not HOFs): Gannon - McMahon - Moon - B.Johnson -R. CUnningham - George - Culipepper. Oakland Raiders: Ken Stabler (Daryl Lamonica) and Jim Plunkett (Ken Stabler) Washington Redskins: Jurgensen to Kilmer to Theismann
Steve Young my fav QB of all time. The Young you tried tickled at (ya, tickled) is everyone elses fav.
Sitting rookies vs Throwing them into the fire When you've got a really special guy, and you know this guy is almost certainly going to be a franchise QB (Peyton), just throw him out there, if only in the second half of the season. You grab an Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers (really, the VAST majority of QBs)...it's far better to have them sit for a couple of years first, even if they're behind half-dead fossils on one year deals. It's too easy for QBs to get overwhelmed...and once they've lost their confidence, it's over. I think Rodgers is going to be very good for the Packers this year. I still hold that Carr's problem wasn't that he couldn't handle being thrown out there, but that the coaching for him specifically was so deplorable that he never improved, allowed his bad habits (staring down his receiver, never learning to check off the safety, chasing big risky plays instead of the simple safe throws, slow decision making) to worsen, and worst of all convinced himself that he was doing great and it was the team letting him down. Leaf just came out already uncoachable. Nothing was going to save that situation. Evan
