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ALERT: Military finds artillery round with sarin nerve agent...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, May 17, 2004.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    .5 is deadly, if it's not 15 years past the expiration date.

    But wait, you think Saddam is going to shoot harmless cannon shells at us? Explain.
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    ...I think this is evidence of agents of WMD...I think there is surely much more...I think if the binary chemicals are allowed to mix right, the result would be the desired effect in maximizing the potential for death...

    More to come...
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Once again, since you seem incapable of processing this information...

    THE CHEMICALS IN THIS WARHEAD WERE SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 YEARS PAST THEIR USABLE LIFETIME.
     
  4. Chump

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    we invaded his freakin country and no WMD were used on us

    why do you feel that some old artillary shell was worth diverting troops, money and attention from the one enemy that actually did attack us? especially at a time when our economy is in the toliet and our deficit was already gettin bad?
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    10 years...so in 1994. These nerve agents expired? Yet...there was an effect from the exposure even though the binary chemicals WERE NOT allowed to mix...

    There are more of these around...No doubt, and I'm pretty sure that the airborne usage (which mixes the binary chemicals) will net much more devastating effects...I pray that does'nt happen and that we obtain all of the unaccounted WMD...
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    You are truly hopeless. The explosion of this warhead did not even create a single meaningful injury, just a vague mention of respiratory issues. By now, that Sarin was about as harmful as pepper spray, as evidenced by the casualties caused as a result of the warhead exploding within feet of the soldiers.

    Another member of the Ostrich Brigade, I guess.
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    We invaded his freakin country because your man was a freakin terroristic freak that used WMD on people in the country...Some ignorant ones say they get lost like pencils,...or "degrade" ever so safely and that is why they don't "exist" or be accounted for...Please! Don't make me laugh anymore!

    This is clearly evidence of WMD which presents a clear danger and worthy of reexamining the scope of warehouses and safehouses which harbor more shells and warheads than you or anymore of your cadre can shake a stick at...
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    And his threat to the United States was......:confused:

    As each and every day goes by, the charges of the anti-war crowd prior to the invasion of Iraq keep coming true.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This thread *perfectly* encapsulates why the liberals are hoping for the worst for America. This news is powerful news. We have discovered WMD in Iraq. This news could truly help to re-shape world opinion of everything that has transpired at the United Nations. It's powerful stuff that could really generate worldwide support for the reconstruction of Iraq. This would obviously be a postive for America and for the Iraqis. Instead of celebrating this, what do the liberals do? They predictably attempt to distort and discredit, intent on trying to portray a good event as bad. It's classic liberal behavior. They want bad things to happen. They want to be able to insult American troops and leaders' efforts. They want failure. When positive news comes out, they panic and immediately launch into attack and discredit mode. What a sad state their party is in, when the best they can hope for is the WORST.

    Typical liberal....
     
  10. SamFisher

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    10 years is a generous estimate. If this dates from the Iran-Iraq war, as is suggested, these things would be more like 20 years old.


    About Iraq's binary weapons capacity (from a 2002 DOD report):

    http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/mctl98-2/p2sec04.pdf

    I would think that the US should probably concentrate more on getting conventional weapons out of the hands of the insurgents rather than chasing down unusable relics from the Iran Iraq war, as thus far thousands of lives have been lost because of such.
     
  11. ROXTXIA

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    The Bush administration has to be careful about how they spin this. Whatever WMD we might find in Iraq was sold to that country by.....hmn, let's see....by Uncle Sam himself (among others, I'm sure), when "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" was our M.O. (Iraqis and Iranians killing each other).

    So they'd better find and destroy the receipts of anything they find. I'm still holding out on just how significant this find might be. If they found a stockpile of something, that'd be one thing. But this? Let's see what turns up.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    transalation, "I don't care about reality, you disagree with me, therefore you love Saddam Hussein, I am a real american who listens to Lee Greenwood and these colors don't run"

    I worry for your sanity after Kerry is elected. Hopefully we will re-ban your assault rifles before then so you won't pose as much of a threat. God bless the ATF and the great Federal Government!
     
  13. Woofer

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    RE: roxran and his conspiracy theories are covered entirely in this one yahoo news article.


    If you are so concerned about one expired chemical round, where's the outrage about Bush stopping funding on funds to cleanup the sundry nuke materials scattered around the former Soviet Union? Now thanks to Bush, there's enough material unaccounted for to make many, many different kinds of dirty bombs that have a ten thousand year expiration date.

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040517/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_25
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    The explosion of the sarin shell was confirmed by the Iraqi Survey Group, a U.S. organization whose task was to search for weapons of mass destruction after Saddam's ouster last year.

    The artillery shell contained two chemicals that mix to form sarin after the shell is fired. It had been rigged as a bomb and was discovered by a U.S. convoy and exploded before it could be defused.

    The explosion, which occurred "a couple of days ago," released a very small amount of sarin, Kimmitt said.

    It was the first time U.S. forces had found an artillery shell containing such chemicals, Kimmitt said.

    Since the war ended, the U.S.-led coalition has found several caches that tested positive for mustard gas but later turned out to contain missile fuel or other chemicals.

    Other discoveries turned out to be old caches that already had been tagged by U.N. inspectors and were scheduled for destruction.

    Kimmitt said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent. Many of the materials used for roadside bombs are believed to have been looted from arsenals after the regime's collapse.

    "The former regime had declared all such rounds destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," Kimmitt said.


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    Other news, the shell was unmarked. So I guess the guerillas we are fighting against are psychic and we are in real trouble...



    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...p_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_sarin&cid=540&ncid=1480

    The 155-mm shell did not have markings to indicate it contained a chemical agent, the official added.
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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  14. ROXRAN

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    ...and they still had an effect on those exposed...even though,...even though the binary chemicals were NOT allowed to be mixed to create the potent reaction...

    BTW, this absolutely NEEDS to happen to create the devastation that Sarin can inflict...(check it out from the source I cited near the top of this page)

    We don't really know the age of inception do we Sam? We can't rule out the potential and culmination of multiple sources...What we do know is this is the "smoking gun" evidence your cadre of backslappers have cried for...and here it is.

    Too bad that now it's here, yall still cry...
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Roxy, I've read your source, which seems like it was designed to sell gas masks; mine wasn't.

    Anyway, you never answered my question; please elaborate on how Saddam was going to use these shells (assuming that they still worked) against us. Was he going to shell us?
     
  16. underoverup

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    It is truly a shame on our neoconvict posters how absolutely thrilled they are that our troops were attacked with 20 year old artillery shell containing a nerve agent. You can sense their disappointment that more of these decades old shells weren’t used in the attack. If only more troops had been killed by the insurgents and their chance ‘find’ the neocons would finally be proven right with their absurd WMD claims. The neoconvict position is truly reprehensible -- we should leave them to wallow in their filth.
     
  17. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    You forgot the "typical conservatives..." :rolleyes:

    Don't be surprised if your post has been reported to the moderators.
     
  18. MacBeth

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    I assumed this was a parody of...well...a well known poster from the opposite_side of the political spectrum.
     
  19. MacBeth

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    Ahhh...so did you. I am a little slow right now, just had a nap, and awaoke from a seriously weird dream that seemed to be memory. Too elusive to pin down, but weird.
     
  20. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I know...I was just helping him out.
     

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