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Alan Grayson a New Potential Party Leader for Dems?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. Landlord Landry

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    FB, you are far too intelligent to believe that Grayson's comments were tounge-n-cheek. Neither you nor I are that naive.

    Regardless of his party, his comments were deplorable and akin of the same republican tactics you despise. Please don't insult your own intelligence or mine by saying it's not as ugly as someone else's idiotic rhetoric. You'll just come across as a liberal apologist.

    they are both one in the same.
     
  2. Major

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    So now holocaust has been re-defined again as only the case if it's a for-profit thing? His definition was:

    it is a holocaust. These deaths are preventable. By not acting, Congress is indirectly sending these people to their graves.

    If you're going to use that definition, then not saving the hungry children is a holocaust. The gov't not banning fatty foods, ultimately killing many people, is a holocaust. The gov't not banning cars, leading to car accidents that kill people, is a holocaust. etc.

    This is exactly why it's not a holocaust. The term is used for the violent slaughter of people. While it's is tragic and silly, not having public health is not a holocaust. As a wealthy nation, we can afford to better, so we should. But not doing so does not make it a holocaust.
     
  3. vlaurelio

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    I'm not trying to defend the use of the term Holocaust

    I just think that the analogy between a publicly elected congress and a private person is wrong
     
  4. Major

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    I agree - but to the same extent, I think that the analogy between non-action by congress and the willful slaughter of people is wrong as well. I think it's the same basic leap.
     
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    agree Holocaust term was used to catch attention
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    What? He said himself they were tongue-in-cheek. Do you honestly believes that what he said about the GOP was an actual plan?

    Members of the GOP did actually refer to the Democratic plan and seriously try and claim it was a death sentence to seniors.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    This is better than the first time I saw him...

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    The free clinics which will educate the contented middle and uppper classes to the scale of the problem as wellas mobilize some of those suffering from lack of health care and the speaking truth rhetoric of Grayson will win health care for the American people-- not mild mannered wonk speak.

    RIGHT ON !!
     
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    'Die quickly' congressman new hero for Fla. Dems

    By BRENDAN FARRINGTON
    The Associated Press
    Saturday, October 10, 2009; 5:52 PM

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Weeks after his harsh remarks toward the GOP, a Florida congressman's popularity with Democrats isn't dying quickly.

    U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, who said late last month that Republicans' health care plans amount to wanting sick people to "die quickly," told a wildly enthusiastic crowd of about 2,000 Democrats Saturday that the GOP should change its name to "The Selfish Party."

    The first-term congressman from Orlando was given a standing ovation for his remarks at the Florida Democratic Party's annual convention. People stood in line to take pictures with him and gush over him, and a room where he was later part of a panel discussion had to be doubled in size because turnout was twice what was expected. Grayson ate up the attention. He was introduced at the panel discussion as "the rock star" and Grayson stood up and jokingly said, "I'm Barack Obama."

    And as if he was an actor with a catch phrase, when Grayson began talking about health care, people in the panel discussion audience began shouting, "Say it! Say it!"


    Grayson complied, "Don't get sick. And if you do get sick, die quickly." The crowd cheered.

    Grayson would have been just another politician if the state's Democrats held the convention last month. But Grayson gained national attention for his "die quickly" remarks, and then later for apologizing to the dead and calling the inability to fix the health care system the "holocaust in America."

    It's pretty clear Republicans are getting sick of the name calling. Kevin Madden, a Washington-based GOP strategist, sent a message on Twitter when he heard about Grayson's suggestion for a new name for the Republican Party.

    Madden tweeted, "won't be long before Grayson sticks his tongue at us (and) calls us 'doodie heads.'"

    The Republican Party of Florida called Grayson outrageous and said he has created a circus.

    "Alan Grayson calling anyone else selfish is laughable," said state GOP spokeswoman Katie Betta.

    While Grayson's criticisms may play well with a room filled with Democratic activists, University of South Florida political science professor Susan MacManus said most people want civility in politics.

    "To these people he obviously reflects reality, to others he reflects incivility," said MacManus, who was at the convention.

    Kevin Baker, 38, of Palm Beach Gardens knew nothing about Grayson two weeks ago. He's now a fan. He doesn't live in Grayson's district, but waited in line to get a picture with him, saying afterward that Grayson says aloud what most Democrats think.

    "It's finally good to have someone up there with the bravery to tell the truth and know that it will actually help him and not hurt him," Baker said. "You've got to break a few eggs to get noticed by the media, and if there's a little bit of controversy because one or two words are wrong, I can live with that
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../10/10/AR2009101001761.html?hpid=sec-politics
     

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