Sorry, bad taste in our mouths from the last squad we surrounded our stars with... Stro...Bonzi...LHead...Rafer...Juwon Howard....Ryan Bowen...Padgett....shudder
Hopefuuly it won't take long for some badly managed team to sign Al Harrington so this thread can die. Daryl Morey is surely hoping to upgrade at the PF spot between now and February but he can do much, much better than Al Harrington. The two most obvious guys to go after are Thaddeus Young and Ersan Ilyasova. Philly is obviously more interested in trading an established player for draft picks and young players. This works: Thaddeus Young to Houston; Omer Asik to Portland; Donatas Motiejunas, a Blazers first round pick, and Robin Lopez (expiring contract) to Philly.
The point of this discussion is Harrington. I believe he is in absolutely no way an upgrade to D-Mo. I just see no positive side to his degradation as a player over the past 5 seasons. Many others disagree. If Morey does not pick him up then the case is settled in my favor. If Morey picks him up it means that the risk/reward ratio has been judged to be favorable. If he produces enough to win significant minutes then you all win. McHale, with very helpful input from Morey, is becoming a very good coach and will make the appropriate decisions. Or else he will be gone. It truly is time for the "McHale needs to do ..." discussion to end. It all comes down to Morey's judgement. And I am certainly good with that.
Did you seriously just give up Asik and DMo for Thaddeus Young? You may be confusing him with THE Thadeus
Morey will wait. There is a reasonable chance that Asik and either Jones or D-Mo would be the starting center and PF of 40% of NBA teams at the trade deadline. And I think that they are confusing Young with LMA.
Thaddeus Young and Al Harrington are basically the same player. Just because a player has one injury riddled year does not mean he's "done" or "broken down." He's only 33 and was very good two yrs ago when healthy. Some of you guys here make it seem like he's 40 yrs old and hasn't produced in years.
WTF...One dude attempted 12 threes over the past 2 seasons (22 in 2010) and the other guy is known as a stretch 4....
In my mind there is no doubt Houston wants Harrington - he's exactly the type of situational vet player who in the right roster situation can make or break a deep playoff team and this is a good spot for him playing spot minutes along side a dominant defender/rebounder in Howard. I don't think Houston wants him to play more than 20 minutes a game though and likely don't want to sign him to more than 2 years so there are two BIG question that will determine whether we get him: - will he play for what Houston is willing to pay him which I imagine is not much. That boils down to whether he feels he is in "late career/get a ring now" mode or the more delusional, "I still think I can be a 6th man" mode. - will another team be willing to offer him more money or will he find another title contender's overtures more desirable? On paper we seem like a good fit, but who knows what other teams are telling him. Ultimately there will likely be at least a couple deep playoff teams and maybe one or two fringe teams who would be willing to offer him a contract and it's up to him to determine where he wants to go.
Already posted? From yesterday: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Doubt any interest in Harrington. Moves left would be camp invites RGV bound. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/WhatAlykhanSaid">@WhatAlykhanSaid</a>: Rockets have interest on Harrington?</p>— Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/statuses/363377366963204096">August 2, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Look, I'd rather have Ersan Ilyasova and Thaddeus Young over Harrington, no question. Honestly a lot of the posters here who like Harrington feel the same way.l HOWEVER, we're not talking about Harrington and Youn on an even playing field. Harrington: 1. Will come significantly cheaper 2. Can potentially stay here until he retires at the same cheap price 3. Will cost nothing to acquire Your proposed trade costs us a top 10 center in Asik and an intriguing prospect in DMO, which adds greater value to the squad? Asik, DMo and Harrington or just Young?
5 man lineups? 40% of total minutes? You're over complicating things, why don't you just check the game logs and see how much D-Mo played last season? Here let me help you out: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/motiedo01.html So, in a team crying for a dynamic PF and with no legitimate competition, D-Mo played a total of 12 mins per game, and he certainly wasn't used in crunchtime as Parsons, Delfino or Garcia played PF during the 4rth quarter of games. D-Mo has a lot of talent, but IMHO he still needs more experience and seasoning before he can take the starter spot. This is where Harrington comes in, instead of playing Garcia or Parsons out of position, then Harrington can just play thr PF spot until D-MO is ready.
Does Daryl Morey want to pay Omer Asik $15 mil to play 15-20 minutes/game in 2014-15? His 2014-15 salary, not to mention the fact that he's closer to 30 than to 20, diminishes his trade value. And Donatas Motiejunas may or may not ever be a good starter, or even a good rotation player. Oh, and Al Harrington isn't very good.
Sigh. Unless you are the personal accountant to an owner, Omer Asik is being paid $8.37 million in 2014-15. That is the salary that effectively matters when it comes to building your team. The $15 million is completely and totally irrelevant to a GM and anyone in the world besides the owner and his accountant.
His cap number is $8.37 mil, but his salary is $15 mil (actually, just below $15 mil). And whoever has him on their payroll actually has to pay him that amount in 2014-15, no matter how you slice it.
i would love to pick up shawn marion at our 4..i think he'd be a great slasher next to dwight. last yr of his contract..perhaps he'd resign at minimum next yr.
Many (if not most) owners have plenty of money. You can get a pretty good estimate of the total by counting the current teams over $59.7 million. Which is the fair majority of them, with most of those under being in rebuilding mode. The current estimated cost of a win is $1.78 million. Given that most owners are not money constrained (except by the repeat luxury tax) the break even of adding Asik is about 5 wins. Asik probably adds 5 or more wins to somewhat under half of the league, so he is actually a quite valuable commodity
I would like to pick Nate Robinson as our 4. He can space the floor. Or let's get Luke Walton, he can space it further out from the bench.
If you look at it that way then the owner has been getting over the first two seasons by only paying $5M each year. He can invest the spread.
