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Al Gore's Electricity Plan 100% Renewable in 10 Yrs.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. rimrocker

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    I think he did a good enough job of denigrating himself when he tried to justify his self-given title of Rocket Scientist and pass himself off as a climate expert.

    The last link is the official debunking one.
     
  2. Refman

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    Ah yes...now (as is always the case with climate change) we have the contest citing scientists on both sides of the spectrum.

    It is when this happens that I calmly remind myself that scientists were the ones who thought leeching and phrenology were once good ideas.

    The study of historic climates is in its infancy. Who knows what we will know or believe in the future.

    In the meantime, I would strongly prefer that we work to reduce the greenhouse gases. If a person does not believe that humans are the root cause of global warming, it would be a very bad time to be wrong.
     
  3. Commodore

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    This is classic central planning, by someone who has no background or expertise in energy or energy production. What makes him qualified to have an authoritative opinion on the matter?

    It would be fine if an unauthoritative opinion was all it was, but Gore wants this implemented by force, by way of the state. That's the scary thing.

    The best, most efficient, and most moral way to allocate investment is to let individuals do it themselves, voluntarily. If I invest in solar power or some other alternative energy and I get a good rate of return on my investment, that tells me (and others) where investment should be allocated. If I get a crappy return, I sell the stock and invest elsewhere.

    I don't need to know a thing about the energy business to know that investing in Exxon is a smart idea, I see it every month on my dividend check.

    No central planner can beat that kind of efficiency (ask the Soviet Union how central planning worked out for them), and no force is being applied by the state to do so, all actions are purely voluntary, and therefore moral.

    If you know of a technology that will get us off fossil fuels in ten years, I recommend investing in it. Nuclear is the only thing I can possibly see doing that, but the prohibitions on it by the central planners are too strict. But now might be the time to get in on the ground floor, it worked for the people that bought Apple stock early on.

    Just don't force me to do anything, and I'm fine.
     
  4. Nero

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    That is a completely valid point, and one I agree with, BUT, at the same time, we cannot blindly move in economically ruinous directions just for the sake of 'reducing greenhouse gases' either. The approach we are currently on now, which is primarily one of letting the market evolve into this arena naturally, instead of mainly by government mandate, is the prudent course at this time.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    The entire cost of nuclear plants are generally subsidized by central planners you're railing against.
     
  6. Commodore

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    Just because some corporation is getting subsidies doesn't mean the industry wouldn't exist without them.

    It might not be able to survive, and that's just fine. If it can't pay for itself, it shouldn't exist.
     
  7. Refman

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    I believe that we need to move toward more green energy. I thought my previous posts in this thread indicated my belief that we need to do so with all due economic caution.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    Not the entire cost, but a big chunk. Although part of the reason is that just about every form of generation gets subsidies of some kind.
     
  9. FlyerFanatic

    FlyerFanatic YOU BOYS LIKE MEXICO!?! YEEEHAAWW
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    i dont really have any thoughts on this particular article...but just gore in general

    i think gore has gone to the nuthouse. i mean its nice hes bringing awareness to global warming...i dont think its as major as he makes it out to be...but nonetheless hes everywhere with this stuff. think he needs to simma down.
     
  10. glynch

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    Well maybe we can have a thread on what to do with energy. Sorry that Al Gore set you off. How about T Boon Picken's plan?
     
  11. FlyerFanatic

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    so i take it you're a huge gore fan? relax...i just find it annoying with him and all his energy talk...it seems like he wants the limelight on him all the time....i mean he did invent the internet right?
     
  12. giddyup

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    Is this your way of saying that Al Gore is actually the cause of global warming?
     
  13. FlyerFanatic

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    sure..why not
     
  14. rimrocker

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    Hilarious joke there at the end. Too bad you're referencing something he never said. It makes you look like an idiot.
     
  15. Refman

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    To the extent that he breaks wind. Methane is one of the contributors to the greenhouse effect.
     
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    I love how this is causing such a stir...basically I just find Gore annoying because of all the global warming talk...i'm not saying it isnt occuring and that its not humans involvement...it just seems like for whatever reason he wants to be in the forefront of national media. i'd much prefer him work behind the scenes more often to get stuff accomplished. All i'm saying.
     
  17. giddyup

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    Then I'm one of the worst contributors... :D
     
  18. KellyDwyer

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    Nobody loathes Al Gore more than I, but I've never gotten that whiff from him in the slightest. Not at all.

    Plenty of pointing towards the government, but I never saw him as chiding typical Americans at all. That seems like a huge reach.
     
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    You really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Seriously, stop now lest you look a complete fool.
     
  20. rimrocker

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    Work behind the scenes? He believes that we are facing a crisis. He knows the only way to deal with that crisis is through political action. He's going straight to the people in as many ways as he can dream up. You're free to support him or not, but criticizing him for being out front on an issue that will need people to force politicians to do something is absurd.
     

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