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Al Gore Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Deckard, Oct 12, 2007.

  1. basso

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    ahhh, the nutroots- got it.
     
  2. rimrocker

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    Perhaps if people like Newt and you actually did anything that helped humanity, you wouldn't be so bitter about the recognition received by those that do.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    LOL. No silly. The netroots don't hate Hillary. They're just not excited about her campaign and question her wisdom on the war. The people that hate her are the ones who accused her of things like murdering Vince Foster, smuggling cocaine, being a lesbian, a socialist, a communist, a traitor, a terrorist symp. You know, people like the 30% of dead-enders who still support the administration. In other words, people like you.
     
  4. mc mark

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    I know

    Proving you constantly wrong on every subject gets boring after a while.

    Have a great weekend all! Off to the mountain! And the leaves are supposed to be spectacular!
     
  5. Achilleus

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    Have fun, mc mark! Skip a rock across the lake for me.
     
  6. Zac D

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    I think NewYorker is actually from, say, Cincinnati.

    Dude, d'you not realize that politics at the local, state and congressional level is VASTLY different from the presidential level? Shoot, Montana has two Democratic senators and a Democratic governor. Wyoming has a Democratic governor. Massachusetts regularly elects Republican governors. Maine has two Republican senators.

    The point of this is that Rudy Giuliani isn't going to win the electoral votes of the state of New York just because he was mayor of the city. Nor will Mitt Romney win Massachusetts. And if you think neither of them have a chance to win the presidency for that reason, well, that would be a foolish thing to think.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    you can wake up now.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Then again it's hard for you to argue with anything.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Bats, you are really acting as though you've got a burr in your boot.
     
  10. KingCheetah

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    Al Gore is a true American hero.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    I couldn't be having a better day actually. I'm getting ready to see three of my all time favorite bands, two of which haven't played in about 15 years and the other of which plays only once every five years or so. I'm in a hell of a good mood. That doesn't change the fact you're a lousy debater.
     
  12. NewYorker

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    Al Gore is a real French hero.

    Hold the mayo.
     
  13. NewYorker

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    How did you know I was from Cincinnati? WTF? Did Clutch give away my home zip?

    Anyway, NYC (from what I hear) is a pretty big city that dominates NY Politics. Not the typical city considering a big chunk of the fine people of NY live in the city or are connected to it.
     
  14. Zac D

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    Sure, but that doesn't really address the issue. New Yorkers elect Republican mayors, but they don't vote for Republican presidents.

    No thoughts on Romney's chances in the general without winning Massachusetts?
     
  15. Invisible Fan

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Billary was behind Gore's reticence to run in 08.

    Probably his 2nd best chance to win the presidency.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    Uh that doesn't mean much. Red states elect democratic senators and governors. Those are statewide elections that draw from the exact same group of people that will vote in the presidential election.

    Straight ticket voting has been on a steady decline for years. You see a lot more mixed voting today. Also, party affiliation has declined as well.
     
  17. NewYorker

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    But a dem from Montana is a very different thing than a dem from massachusettes.

    It just doesn't happen often, which is my point - the last president to be elected losing their home state was Polk.

    If you are going to say that Guiliani isn't going to be competitive in ny because he's just an nyc mayor, i think you're underestimating the influence nyc has on the state politics. It would be competitive.

    Guiliani would take down any democrat besides Clinton decisvely.
     
  18. NewYorker

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    Yeah, but when's the last time a popular republican mayor of nyc ran for president? We'd vote for one of our own.
     
  19. Zac D

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    I really think you're just fundamentally flat wrong, but at least it's not based on a factual misinterpretation, I guess. We will see whether we will see in a few months.

    Decent polling on the topic here: http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=68544

    Highlights:

    3. If the general election for president were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton, the Democrat and Rudy Giuliani, the Republican, for whom would you vote?

    Code:
    CANDIDATE	NY STATE	NY CITY
    Clinton	                 53%	        70%
    Giuliani	          39%	         24%
    Other	                  0%	         0%
    Not voting	         3%	        3%
    Not sure/Refused      5%	     3%
    5. If the general election for president were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama, the Democrat and Rudy Giuliani, the Republican, for whom would you vote?

    Code:
    CANDIDATE	NY STATE	NY CITY
    Obama	              48%	       59%
    Giuliani	         42%	          33%
    Other	                 1%	           1%
    Not voting	        3%	          2%
    Not sure/Refused     7%	               5%
    "In the General Election, New York remains a blue state with either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee. Hillary beats Rudy Giuliani by 14 points and John McCain by 16 points. Barack Obama beats Rudy Giuliani statewide by 6 points and defeats John McCain by 15 points. Rudy is viewed favorably by the state overall 55%, but only 15% of black voters (compared to 62% of white voters) and only 44% of NYC voters give the city’s former mayor a thumbs up (vs. 61% in the rest of the state)."

    My drunken alignment aside, that's pretty interesting.

    No thoughts on Romney's chances in the general without winning Massachusetts?
     
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    Could you imagine how the rest of the world would feel about us if we didn't have any Al Gores?
     

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