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Air Asia flight QZ 8501 missing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ItsMyFault, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. mfastx

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    Ugh, if that's the case then it just boggles my mind how a pilot could fly into a storm like that when most planes nowadays have advanced radar systems on board the aircraft and said pilots could easily create a flight plan around such storms.
     
  2. Duncan McDonuts

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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-qz8501-china-and-france-join-expanded-search

    RIP. :(
     
  3. Jontro

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    Yup they found it. Some of the bodies of the passengers were floating in the waters.
     
  4. Sajan

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    Landing in a tropical storm. Genius.
     
  6. TheRealist137

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    Airlines in that area are cursed.
     
  7. Jontro

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    Really tragic that they supposedly landed safely, but was overtaken by a huge wave when they opened the emergency exits. At least that's the prevailing theory locally.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Bermuda Triangle not getting this much action
    SMH

    I would be more concerned if N Korea was crowing about this. . . instead of a movie

    Rocket River
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Can't they fly over them?

    Rocket River
     
  10. LonghornFan

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    I believe the storm clouds were close to 50,000' up. Can't fly over that, and that's one huge storm if true.
     
  11. baller4life315

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    Both flight data recorders have either been retrieved or located. Hopefully, the investigation is fairly straightforward.
     
  12. B-Bob

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30902237

    Looks like they tried to climb over that weather too quickly and stalled the jet.

    Why don't these jets have governors or something like that? I'm not an aero engineer or anything, but in this day and age, I'm surprised a jet is designed such that pilots can stall it and kill so many people. :(
     
  13. baller4life315

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    Don't read into this. Even if the flight crew decided to break rule #1 and do something ATC explicitly denied, they're not going to climb the jet at such an excessive rate. A climb rate of 6,000 feet per minute is something only military fighter jets are capable of. No pilot in his/her right mind would attempt such a thing.

    Some sort of ungodly weather anomaly caused this crash. Likely severe updrafts accompanying a nasty thunderstorm.
     
  14. mr. 13 in 33

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Disappearance of Malaysia Airlines <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH370?src=hash">#MH370</a> declared an accident <a href="http://t.co/3uI1Uelcr5">http://t.co/3uI1Uelcr5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBCNightlyNews?src=hash">#NBCNightlyNews</a> <a href="http://t.co/NqrA3PzyN3">pic.twitter.com/NqrA3PzyN3</a></p>&mdash; NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/560945665665409026">January 29, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  15. Mack

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    My guess is a microburst. I remember planes crashing because of this weather phenomenon when I was a kid.
     
  16. heypartner

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    That's MH370 from last Spring. Not the one in the OP.
     
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    Glad they found the black box. They been very precise from the beginning
     
  18. heypartner

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    More black box info coming in.

    A bunch of new facts in this WSJ article.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia-co-pilot-was-likely-at-helm-before-crash-1422493886

    • Co-Pilot was at the helm
    • "the plane’s computerized stall-protection systems either malfunctioned or were disengaged."
    • Stall warning alarms were going off. Pilots couldn't recover.

    Stall warning article from WSJ
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia-stall-warnings-were-going-off-crash-investigator-says-1421825697

    Rest assured that plane has "computerized stall-protection systems." Of course, that doesn't mean the computer can override a human...not sure we want an accident like this propel us (or stall us) into SkyNet
     
  19. baller4life315

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    This is all compelling new information, but nothing here explains what might have caused the aircraft to climb at such an absurdly high rate. I really can't stress enough how, not only unusual, but potentially deadly such a maneuver could be. This sort of thing tests the structural integrity of the aircraft. Nothing a sane pilot would ever attempt.

    The aircraft was flying either directly into or in the vicinity of a major thunderstorm. Updrafts and other lifting motions are necessary components of a thunderstorm. This is most likely the answer to that question, IMO.

    Overall, I think it's fairly obvious that extreme weather was the root cause of whatever went wrong here. I'm getting the vibe this could be another AF447 disaster where some sort of weather phenomena triggered a fly-by-wire computer system failure from which conditions in the cockpit completely snowballed. All of the sudden the flight crew is forced to fly the plane manually in extreme conditions. There's plenty of concern in the aviation industry of a potential over-reliance upon technology and automation in the cockpit. This could be another example of that.
     

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