OOOOOhhhhhhh... It burns you up inside that you can't gas Jews for fun anymore to let off a little steam, amirite? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface-coolface-problem
Wasn't too long ago you were in this same forum acting quite the tough guy threatening our fellow posters from Serbia and yearning to search out and assault me as well. And from where to where we've come now. How far you have fallen, playing the stereotypical foxman drama queen victim. Instead of worrying about gas you should pull yourself together and show some mettle. Be strong not just for your own self-respect, but for the greater good. Get out there and eliminate those potential infiltrators before they infiltrate. Check into some 5-star hotels and 'execute' the plans at hand. You're a part of something special Otto and don't you forget it. By cunning you can wage your war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory.
You have a very interesting, selective, and generally faulty memory. If you had bothered to donate, I'd copy and paste some select quotes but as it is, I don't want to reward your freeloading behavior. And playing the "the internet is serious business" card after a session of serious trolling is so to type that it is almost a trolling cliché.
Israel has the means to forcibly expel Palestinians from the Occupied Territories. The vision of a Greater Israel including Judea and Samaria is still alive and well in Israeli conservative thinking. I don't think millions of Palestinians will be exterminated or forced into a state that is unwilling to accept them. But conditions are being created (with the settlement expansion, the bombings, mass arrests and demolition of homes) that may over time make population transfer seem like the lesser of two evils. I can't say how likely such a scenario is, but it has to be consider far, far more likely than Palestinians overrunning Israel.
Are you going to check-in with the British passport or the Australian one on your next mission, Otto?
I did not seriously mean to imply that you picked that site on purpose, was just messing around. In regards to the scenario you mentioned above, I don;t think you have to kill or kick out 2.8 million people to call their land yours. All I know is that certain powerful groups want to see certain borders, I would just like to see any conlfict due to this avoided.
I'm about as Jewish as a bacon cheeseburger. Swing and miss. The troll flails about like Pedro Cerrano being thrown a curve.
Oh it was never assumed that your fanatical hatred towards Serbs was attributable to any particular religion. More likely a simple underdosage of lithium/Zoloft was the chief contributing factor.
I guess this is like one of those "repeat it often enough and people will believe it" things that the Republicans do? I just went and read that thread. You know, just so I was sure I knew what we were talking about. Again, either you have a really bad memory, or are a troll. I'm going with the latter. Unless you consider "fanatical hatred of all Serbs" to be something like the following representative quote: Also, you'll remember (or maybe not) that it was your bizarre posts in that thread which drew all sorts of, "What the **** are you talking about?" responses from weslinder and others. But hey, I'm the irrational one. Keep repeating it every time you make some crazy anti-Semitic paranoid "global Jew conspiracy" comment. As basso would say, keep ****ing that chicken.
All these countries, in unison, and throw in the entire GCC and North Africa, could not bother Israel. There's just no chance. That is what makes the "victim" mentality so baffling on the Israeli side - and I'm not saying Palestinians don't play the victim card, I'm just staying on topic.
I'm going to bookmark this post. *tears* We actually AGREE for once!!! FWIW, there's just 2 or 3 people that need to go. Everyone else is on board for change. No need to have large-scale change. Remove those few guys, repeat the election and watch it flourish. Also, the free people of Iran wouldn't give up a nuclear program. This is what I find interesting.
I know we've had this discussion before, but allow me to repeat myself. I think Israel and the people who have set themselves up against Israel have passively "conspired" to build up Israel much more highly than they are. Hizbollah beat the crap out of Israel in 2006 with only their little crappy small arms and some ingenuity. And that was in straight military combat, they weren't fighting an "insurgency" (which is usually the way people attempt to explain that defeat away). Of course, they did have several advantages like they were defending terrain that was theirs, they'd planned ahead quite a bit, etc. I've read comments from US military people to the same effect. The "people's army" that the Israelis use also means that you don't have the same kind of quality of personnel as a professional army. The Israeli army is full of sullen teenagers whose "military experience" consists of kicking the crap out of helpless Palestinians. I think Iran by itself currently stacks up pretty equally with Israel, especially with the great volumes of Imposed War vets. If they could ever agree with and coordinate properly with all of the other ME countries, and they managed to keep the USA out of it, they could fairly handily beat back Israel. And if you just assume that the US will become involved, just look at what that sort of assumption did for Georgia recently. http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/ http://irandefence.net/ <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PHB0-_S_1ZQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PHB0-_S_1ZQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>
Why? Nukes are a pretty big deal and they are good for bragging rights in that region, not to mention act as a pretty strong deterrent against foreign aggression. They are not the end all be all they are often portrayed as, but still, they are a pretty big deal. I honestly do not think any population in the world today would reject the develop of nuclear weapons capability if they had a say. Especially not in the case of a country known for very strong nationalistic tendencies and a proud heritage like Iran (have you ever met some of the Iranians here in the US? Talk about a God complex!) Based on my understanding, the Iranian nuclear program is immensely popular among all segments of Iranian society, including the sizable secular population in Iran. This is also why having a democratic government would likely only justify and strengthen the resolve of the Iranian government to continue down the path of developing their nuclear capabilities, which is why I think the whole "bring em democracy" argument from the West is nothing but red herring. America's and Europe's concerns are purely concerned with maintaining some sort of a strategic balance in the region and keeping Iranian power in check. My counterargument? You should have thought about that before invading Iraq and removing Saddam, dipsh**s!
I kinda agree with this part, but Israel's strength has always been in its qualitative or technological advantage and its known possession of atomic weapons, not in its quantitative advantage over its Arab neighbors or even Iran. Their air power alone would pretty much dismantle any single country in the region. Obviously a full on coordination between a number of countries (a pooling of resources, if you will) would probably neutralize Israel's air supremacy, but that still leave the threat of nukes going off in Riyadh and Cairo and Damascus as a very real threat. The fact remains that unless another country in the area develops nukes and therefore holds its own threat of annihilating Israeli cities, until then, Israel will always have the advantage. In an old-school ground war, sure, Israel is very much vulnerable to defeat, Egypt kinda demonstrated that in the 1973 war, but then Israeli (and American) air power kicked in and that pretty much neutralized any early advantages the Egyptians in the conflict. Air power reigns supreme these days. yah I strongly disagree with that parallel. Georgia is no Israel to the U.S., and the region just east of the Black Sea and immediately south of Russia is not nearly as strategically important or indispensable to U.S. interests as the Middle East is. If Russia had invaded Turkey then maybe we would be having a different discussion here. Israel and the Middle East and America are forever wedded to each other, and the U.S. would come less so to defend Israel's own existence than intervene to make sure that it can separate the sides and preserve some sort of a shaky but quiet and stable 'peace' in the region. It would be intervening for its own interests, and Israel looms largely in that picture.
You make a good point but there's a geographic dimension here that you may be missing out on. Israel wouldn't use powerful nuclear, chemical or biological weapons 10km away from its own people. But it would use them on Iran. It would use them on Saudi Arabia. It would use them on the UAE and on Libya. The problem with fighting an enemy in "your" house is that you don't want to destroy "your" house. The technology is dramatically different, and that is the key thing to consider here. You are absolutely correct that in a land-based, straight military combat the Iranian millitary can take on the entire population of Israel. In fact, anyone who thinks that the Iranian Millitary is comparable to the Iraqi millitary is setting themselves up for a surprise. It is a large, better trained, far more cohesive unit. Moreover, whereas as an American invasion would split the Iraqi units, an Israeli attack would bring them closer together. However, I repeat that there is no comparison in technology. Iran is being sanctioned repeatedly for being close to a technology that Israel has possessed for ages, and hundreds of them. That is JUST the nuclear side. Additionally, I think that ages ago, the war that Syria/Egypt/etc waged on Israel and lost by a large margin is a good indicator. Keep in mind that the Middle East and North African region has grown relatively weaker in millitary technology terms while Israel is among the top 5 in the world now. In terms of overall military strength, I've seen Israel in the top 10-15 consistently while the only other regional country in the top 20-30 I've seen is Egypt and on rare occasion Saudi Arabia. While a physical presence from the US may be questionable, it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that US' assistance would be unparalleled. I will also agree that lots of people love to build up Israel to generate some kind of twisted motivation against them. But in this case, even removing the exaggeration, there is no comparison. It is not close. There is no need to discuss technicalities. The difference is enormous enough for little things here and there to matter very little. If you want to argue that, technology and "international" assistance aside, Israel doesn't stand a chance, I would agree with you. But that's not the reality of things IMO. Quick numbers from wiki re Israel: - 9th most tanks in the world. - 6th most nuclear weapons. - 6th most fighter aircrafts. - Apparently, biological and chemical warfare capabilities. Basically, the only "advantage" anyone else would have is: - Middle East and Egypt population over 200million vs Israel's population roughly 15million.
Iran has allways been a military powerhouse in the region from 2500 years ago to the shah's time when they had the 4th best army and the 4th best airforce(better then NATO ) in the world
