AGW: The Fiddling with Temperature Data is the Biggest Science Scandal Ever

Really? lol.

The fact is the scientists HAVE been wrong, and seriously wrong. This cannot be denied, you can explain it away, as they have done by adjusting the formula, but it's a fact that these climate models have made outrageous predictions that are simply not true.

I don't take the argument of "scientists" just because they are "scientists," I try and read and learn about both sides of arguments, when I have the time. You have basically said, "you don't agree with me wholeheartedly, therefore you don't know what you're talking about." I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a scientist, and I also didn't realize that scientists were omniscient infallible beings.

Nothing they have said or claimed proves anything, it's a THEORY, they THINK that X, Y, and Z will cause A, B, C...they don't know this to be a fact because we don't know enough about the Earth and climate. The arrogance of humans baffles me sometimes.

 

Actually if you work in agriculture global warming does have a direct affect. It actually already is affecting us given that there has been an extended drought in California, one of the predictions, that has raised the price of fruit. Vaccination has directly affected me because I'm a coach at the U of MN and last week we had a student show up at the gym with measles. Since then we've been issuing warnings regarding possible contagious diseases like measles because we can't count on herd immunity limiting the spread of such diseases. Gay marriage has also affected me because I have gay friends who got married last year when gay marriage was legalized in MN.

While terrorism is a big issue consider almost 1000times as many people died from the flu in the US (2.5 mil vs 3K) than did on 9/11. That shows how important of an issue vaccination is.

Frankly that you consider these things to be part of an alternate reality show that either you are living a very insular life or are just ignoring things.

 

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't just trolling but actually interested in the issue but I find it very ironic that you are accusing others of arrogance. The fact that you've admitted lack of knowledge of the issue yet continue to insist that the predictions are spectacularly wrong and that we shouldn't listen to scientists that strikes me as being the height of arrogance.

Other than you own declaration that the scientist have been spectacularly wrong you haven't provided any evidence where they have been wrong.

 

Just an FYI:

 

Yeah, cartoons aren't science kid. Try again.

 

u can call anything science. Do you consider his original post science? If so, then maybe you should apologize for your garbage post.

 

Thanks for posting. I stand partly corrected. I will point out. that the article does say that peer reviewed articles ared dived so models do say that the drought could be caused by human factors.

Also this shows that scientists arent out unquestioningly supporting the idea of AGW for money since it shows that disagreement on some aspects.

 

No that is not science. A good example of science is publishing your scientific work in science journals where fellow scientists of the same field can review and either refute or acknowledge your claims. NOT an anonymous blogger who doesn't put his reputation and career on the line.

Just and example, here is a guy who challenges the Big Bang Theory. Take note that this is on a Scientifc journal where he also provides his credentials then his body of work. He has placed his neck on the line and his entire career can be ruined.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269314009381

 

Other scientists are free to refute his claims (somebody already posted a video where one did). Don't need a scientific journal for that. Say 'no' to barriers to entry.

The argument that the original post is not science cause its not in a scientific journal is not compelling at all.

 

There is no proof that suggests that the drought in California is anyway related to global warming/climate change. In fact, NOAA came out and said it was entirely natural, NOT man-made.

I didn't say these issues were not important or didn't affect people. I said they over-focus, obviously this an opinion, as we all have our priorities. I think the one thing we SHOULD all agree with is that terrorism>global warming right now. Even if you wholeheartedly believe that global warming/climate change is happening and is a big deal, it doesn't even sniff the surface that terrorism plays RIGHT NOW.

Again, didn't say these issues weren't important that are worthy of discussion, but they are social issues, much like abortion, that Democrats use to distract and divide. Republicans do the same thing with abortion and marriage laws. They each have a mentality of you're either for this or against me.

I'm pretty sure that people refusing the flu vaccine aren't responsible for those deaths. Most of those deaths probably come immune-compromised young/old individuals. If you're going to talk about the importance of vaccines, let's talk about more serious diseases, like measles. People take the flu vaccine all the time and can still get the flu as the flu strain changes all the time.

The alternate reality I referred to was the one in which Obama lives in, where he criticizes the media for "over-hyping" terrorism in the world, when "we should be dealing with more serious issues, like global warming." Sorry, I find it ludicrous that global warming trumps terrorism.

 

In the end, this whole argument is about funding. Climate "experts" of every ilk look to the government for funding for their studies, which are their livelihood. Right now, researches can get bigger grants by going along with the liberal façade of global warming. In a few years they will be going along with the conservative façade of global weather happiness if there is more grant money on that side of the fence.

The truth is our global climate changes every 10,000 to 12,000 years. We are currently in the sweet spot between ice ages. Enjoy it, because in a relatively few million years, the sun will expand and there will be no more cold weather or temperate seas for that matter.

 

I thought it was billions of years. Regardless, you're right, the climate WILL change no matter what we do.

I also think you are entirely correct about the money aspect. Funny that usually people are quick to point out the money trail when vetting an idea/study/project, but no one seems to think there is any conflict when the government is providing that money.

 

The current theory is that it will last about 5 billion more years....but that's just the current theory. The list of things we actually know is MUCH shorter than the list of things we think we know. 80 years from now people will probably look back and laugh about the popular theories of today like AGW and the big bang....it might not even take that long. Current scientific understanding always looks foolish to future scientific understanding and I see no reason why that would ever change.

 

So does this mean you believe in evolution because evolution gets strengthened as we learn more? The Theory of Evolution existed before certain areas of science were even discovered, yet no one is looking back and laughing.

It is really depressing reading this thread. So much ignorance it is mind boggling.

 

You might as well just be a solipsist. "Nothing is real maaaaannnn...."

 

I see no reason not to believe in evolution, in that species change over time. Why wouldn't I believe in that? Also, I'm not sure if you know this or not, but that wasn't the first or only theory about the origin of species.....nor is the first evolution theory the current one.

I don't really see the point of your post to be honest.

 

Here is the point, Bobby.

You are wrong and I just gave you a really good example as to why.

 

One doesn't "believe" in a scientific theory. One understands that a scientific theory is the best possible current explanation about an observation in nature.

 

This is where your "anything can be called science" claim comes from. Anybody can create a website where anybody can post some science claims and we can call it science. Sorry my man, that is not it how works in the adult world.

By your definition, a person is a doctor as long as they claim they are. No need to provide credentials. Because if he mentions medical terms, he/she is qualified.