I can't believe that a month later somebody STILL believes that there was a chance that Carlos Beltran was coming back.
I agree. Use that logic now though. There are still trading options. There are FA options. We may not go into opening day with Palmeiro starting everyday. So please don't assume that we will...because just as there were options back then, there are options now. No comment on what I said earlier with your assumptions of purpura/drayton trying to fail?
So adamant. Yet, so adamantly and sincerely wrong. Why don't you review this thread yourself? The opinion has been brought out several times on this thread alone. Next, listen to sports radio and see how many folks opine this very thing. I've named several. If you're now saying that *nobody* is calling this "plan B", then why are you attacking it as not a "plan B" at all? Guess you missed the interview. So, you had even *fewer* "facts" behind your ridiculous assumption. It was shortly after New Year's. I'm not your buddy. You may refer to me as msn, or as "you". Your assumption, based on the current opening day lineup, is based on (for the tenth time) a non-sequitur and is therefore faulty logic and a baseless assumption. If you can't grasp (or don't want to grasp) the basics of logic, I can't help you. This is the first point you've made that remotely addresses the real point. Unfortunately, it's inaccurate. Phone calls and early discussions happen all the time that are not made known to the media. If every minute of a GM's day were reported in the media, the sports section would be 100 pages long every day! I have read, ex post facto mind you, of several of these phone calls and discussions. In the same way, internal meetings where the Astros grapple over the possibilities and consider their options are not made public. Do you know what considered or discussed in these meetings? Did you know that they had these meetings, or did you assume that Purpura just sat in his office on the phone all day working magic? I've come to the conclusion that you're not going to grasp this concept. In your world, the entire Astros organization was too short-sighted to consider and plan for the very real possibility that their star CF would choose to sign elsewhere. And anyone who doesn't see that is "full of it." So be it (in your world). Carry on.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were no more trading or FA options in the OF or elsewhere in baseball. I guess the trading deadline hit early this year? Or wait, did every team declare that every player is off limits now? That's probably it. GMS MAKE NOTE: NO MORE TRADING OR FREE AGENT SIGNING ALLOWED AS DECREED BY NJ
In other words....you can't name anyone but the posters on here that share your opinion it was actually AFTER we lost carlos...I believe it was at Live...nice try though...but yes, that would qualify as shortly after new years OK, MSN, you still don't get it Ummm....Mr. You....the current lineup is fact...not an assumption Oh...not just in my world....this has and is happening as we speak
its got nothing to do with that...it has everything to do with Purpura saying that we aren't interested in trading away guys like Burke, Backe or any other young guy with "potential"....so unless you think we will find someone to trade us a decent player for Vizcaino or Lamb, there isn;t much we can do
Read, please read. I named people on sports radio as well. Additionally, I have repeatedly stated that THIS IS *NOT* MY OPINION. Wrong. It was *shortly* after New Year's, and it was on FOX 26 news. If he repeated himself at Live, I missed it. A) "ummmmm" does nothing to strengthen a pathetic argument. B) The current lineup is a *fact*. A *fact* that does not follow with... Hell, didn't I already say I was giving up? You don't understand non sequitur. Your loss (and logical disability), not mine. What is happening as we speak, abject stupidity? I would agree with that. There are stupid people saying stupid things all over the world as we speak.
I did read....you didn't NAME anyone on sports radio...let me guess...more callers with your outlook on the situation? i agree
I rarely agree with anyone on sports radio. If you "did read", why do still want to say that I share that opinion? I even typed in all caps for you last time. It is very sad how much of this conversation you've missed. I hope you're being obnoxious, as the other alternative is, well, stupidity.
As always on the bbs, instead of walking away from a lost argument, said poster, Mr You in this case, resorts to name calling and insults. Whoa is me. Buh Bye.
Sorry. Of course, you haven't apologized for your insults. My argument is not lost. I'm just sorry for wasting so much thread space trying to open your closed mind to the possibilities that *do*, in reality, exist. I'm not going anywhere. And, I'm right and you're wrong.
The only thing I called you was a know it all college kid.....which, being a mid 30's father of 4....wouldn't be such a bad thing...at least on weekends
How funny is it when people say you weren't in the meetings therefore you do not know what really happened. I can tell you what happened: 1) We didn't sign Beltran, Miller, Kent and we replaced them with ? 2) Plan B flopped unless plan B means go with the young guys. 3) Gerry is gone! 4) We haven't addressed our bull pen issues. 5) We are too slow. 6) We have too many defensive liabilities. 7) Biggio-R, Burke-R, Lane-R, Bagwell-R, Ausmuss-Neither , Everett-R, Ensberg-R,... 8) Bench is Terrible 9) We aren't going to sign any other major FAs 10) Garner is our manager 11) Rookie GM 12) ... Defend Drayton all you guys want. We did sign Clemens.
Points 1-11 are all good, except that Lamb and Viz are bright spots on a bad bench and you have no idea whether going with the young guys is a flop or not because they haven't played one game yet. Also, I think #10 is a good thing, but that's just my opinion. Those are all *results*. We don't know how many things the Astros *tried* to accomplish, discussed, or considered internally. That was my only point, not a defense of Drayton or Purpura.
I don't care what they discussed or considered. The results are results. We didn't add a single (significant) player to a team that was very close to the WS. Instead, we lost very important pieces from last years team. As for going with the youngs, I am all for it. Just don't act like our plan B is something other than that. Why did Purpura bring up a plan B? Too me, that implies we were working on premier players. Soriano, Sosa, Ordonez.... I am not saying that would be a good move for the Astros. I am just saying that the Astros tend to deceive their fans.
One last thing... I never said going with the young guys is a flop. 2) Plan B flopped unless plan B means go with the young guys. To me, that is wishful thinking though.
But the team does, and that's the point. And very, very often in life and business, the results do not match the plans. I'm with you that the results suck, but none of us here, unless and until the Astros spell it out for us, have any idea what alternate plans they internally had. That tiny, tiny point was all that I wished to communicate. I'm not acting like it is or it isn't--since I haven't *heard* the Astros say what their alternate plans were, I have no assumption or opinion, other than that to date it's very disappointing. Why did he? If he's not going to spell it out, it would have been wise not to use that verbiage at all. But what we don't know, is what "plan B" implies to Purpura. And that's what matters here, not what it implies to you or to me. I don't know about "deceiving" their fans, but I do remember the Hun keeping everything pretty close to the vest. It seems Purpura is doing the same thing.
