assuming she has even been educated enough to know. think planned parenthood will show her an ultrasound? think an abortion clinic will? good luck.
No, you go to jail because statistics and science prove that people who drive while intoxicated do not have the capacity to drive safely. Proven fact, not conjecture regarding when "life" begins.
As long as she ignores much of the evidence and hardens her heart in order to serve her selfish needs that will be the case, sadly.
but at that point, you haven't hurt anyone, andy. that's the point i'm making. the law exists to prevent the bad outcome.
I would hope she has been educated. All of the women I have known who had abortions educated themselves first and then made their decision. The real point is that they had their medical procedure at a regulated facility and it was performed by a licensed medical practitioner. That would not be the case if elective abortions were banned.
Scientific studies have indicated that a "mass of cells" growing in utero will result in the live birth of a human child. Couples tonight will be trying to replicate the experiment which so far has 100% success rate. This is fact not conjecture. Bet you knew this was coming...
frankly, that's not fair. there are some women in that boat...but many just don't know. they're not given much information when they enter an abortion clinic, either. it's sold as a "quick, painless" process.
Yes it is hard to discuss and here is why. As in any crime scene (and that's how you see it, no?), how can you compare the two crimes when they have different motives? That would be like trying to understand a rapist by looking at the motives for a murderer. You'll never truely understand the problem because the motives are different. They aren't comparable. Anyway, rather than wasting time arguing the merits of this analogy, can you come up with a different analogy please?
show a woman an ultrasound, particularly past the first trimester, and her chances of having an abortion go down exponentially. having an ultrasound machine in an abortion clinic is bad for business, andy...so it's a poor investment. most of the women i have come in contact who've gone through this live in impoverished conditions...where the majority of abortions come from. they don't have the first clue...and usually, they've never given thought to the issue before.
then what is it? at the VERY LEAST it's a life. it had reproducing cells...it takes in nutrients and expels waste...within the first trimester it has its own heart, so it has systems to help sustain itself. what is that if not a living organism??? and since it's not a plant and since it's not merely an egg or sperm, any longer and since it's not a tumor what is it??? we know what it ultimately develops into...so when is that thing worthy of protection?
What about DNA tests? Isn't that human DNA in those cells? The reason that people are NOT allowed to drive impaired is because statistically if they drive long enough they are more likely than average to have an accident. People who are DUI have not necessarily done any damage. They are being prevented from doing so. Likewise if that "mass of cells in utero" is just left alone and carried to term will result in the birth/stillbirth of a human child 100% of the time.
Nevertheless she knows that the process terminates her pregnancy and destroys its only outcome: a child. I'm sure that some are less informed than others. Some probably choose to remain that way. I'm sorry but I can't cut them much slack.
i've just dealt with some of these women before. and they're confused. and they're not thinking..they won't help...questions answered. if they walk into an abortion clinic undecided, it's over. the retention rate is huge. they are not presented with all facts about what's going on. not at all.
Because of Roe v. Wade, our culture is de-sensitized to the unborn. I'll try and be less harsh. I guess my imagination won't go as far as some people's ignorance and selfishness will take them. Calm down, giddyup...
No, I think you missed MY point. Please reread the rest of my post that you edited out. I asserted the previous arguments of which you did not respond. It was only after my assertions did I make the quote that you chose to responded to. That is selective hearing. You have yet to answer the question about whether we should be in Iraq fighting for freedom and justice. And that is EXACTLY my point. If we increase the exposure and education programs in this country, more people WILL think about it. Not only that, we will arm them with the tools (such as knowledge, self-respect, maybe contraceptives, etc) to combat the problem. Another great example...in support of my argument about freedom. Notice that we haven't entirely taken away free will even though you may go to jail for a short while. In this country, if you WANT to drink and drive, you are free to do so. It isn't desirable and there are consequences but you are allowed to do it. The anology you are seeking would be if we imposed a fine and/or jail time if somebody has an abortion. But that is not what you are seeking. You are seeking an outright ban on a medical procedure itself. Right?
We are not debating restricting abortions past the first trimester. Besides, it has been pointed out to me that Roe V Wade only allows first trimester abortions.
That is incorrect. Nobody is PREVENTING you from driving drunk. You are free to do so. But we've enacted educational programs and employed certain legal restrictions for major offenses. But unless you repeatedly drive drunk, you are NOT prevented.
