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After Watching David Carr Today...

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Joshaaronb, Nov 6, 2005.

  1. RocketMan Tex

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    The Texans should trade their offensive line to Texas A&M for a bushel of corn on the cob.

    Then, we could lay the corncobs where the offensive line sets on each play during a game.

    Defensive lineman and linebackers slipping on corncobs would protect David Carr better than this incredibly offensive offensive line.
     
  2. ima_drummer2k

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    Yeah, then let's draft Leinart, put him behind this offensive line, let him throw to these weak receivers, let him play for the least imaginative coaching staff in the league, and then 3 years later declare him a "bust" and trade him.
     
  3. Svpernaut

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    lol... good point. no quarterback is going to be successful with this scheme, this offensive line and this recieving core. You may be able to sneak by with any combination of two of those problems, but all three of those combined are a ticket to a top 3 pick.
     
  4. leroy

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    To be fair, I saw Brett Favre do a lot of that yesterday, too. On 4th & 4, he had an opening to run for the 1st down and decided to throw it to the end zone in double coverage. In other words, even the best of them can be boneheaded at times.

    It was a good game for Carr. Bradford should have never been re-signed. I was much more comfortable with Kendrick Starling or Sloan Thomas. It was certainly nice to have the old AJ back. I think a healthy AJ and Mathis could be our duo with Gaffney as the slot.
     
  5. MadMax

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    I hear ya.

    More than ever I believe this team needs to draft the guy with the word "Brick" in his name to play LT and put together some other help up front, without freaking out and ditching Carr.
     
  6. gunn

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    This draft seems to be rich in offensive line talent and tackles in particular. I would like to see the Texans try and make a move for a tackle later in round one or early in the second "after" drafting Reggie Bush. This guy is just too good to pass on.
     
  7. MadMax

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    i've heard that. you may be right. i don't know, but i've heard commentators say that Brick is far and away the best offensive lineman in the country...and that everyone after that is a notch down.
     
  8. The Real Shady

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    There is another guy that could overtake D'Brick as the top LT taken if he decides to come out. His name is Joe Thomas out of Wisconsin. Many scouts have been gushing over this guy.

    All along I thought that the Texans should trade down and pick up the best LT available, but all of this talk about how Bush is the best breakaway RB to come out since Barry Sanders has me rethinking the situation. How can the Texans risk passing up on someone who can change the game like that?

    Or he may just turn out to be the next Eric Metcalf.
     
  9. MadMax

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    he's a little bigger than metcalf was, right??? the concern with bush, as i understand it, is that he may be undersized to be a full-time RB in the NFL...right????
     
  10. wesnesked

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    I'm pretty sure d'brickashaw has been hurt for a couple of games this season, and I've heard that Winston from Miami and a guy from UT have played a better OL this season.
     
  11. The Real Shady

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    He's listed at 6'0 200 by USC, but many people think he's more like 5'10 190. I don't see any reason why he can't put on a few more lbs and become an everydown back.

    I don't think that you would use him in a conventional offense like the Texans currently run. The ideal way to use him would be how the Rams used Marshall Faulk in his prime. Keep him in the backfield most of the time, but also put him in motion moving him out to WR for some plays.
     
  12. swilkins

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    Carr is not the problem and anyone that thinks about replacing him before taking care of what really needs to happen is wrong.

    I've even thought to myself how great it would be to draft Vince Young. I wouldn't do that to VY though and I'm sick of Carr getting knocked. Sure he holds on to the ball too long sometimes. Sure half the sacks could have been avoided if he would scramble and throw out of bounds. Then everyone would get on his case for not completing passes.

    This team needs a left and right tackle and Casserley needs to go. I'm not a Capers fan, but I truly believe that Casserley has set this team up to fail. In 4 seasons we have not acquired a true left tackle. That's pathetic. McKinney is definately a better left guard than center, but he's still not earning his paycheck IMO.

    I hope Bob McNair makes the right choice and doesn't wait till the end of the year. We need to start scouting now. We need real tackles.

    We need a real damn GM.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    Carr looked okay yesterday, but you have to continually question why he is incapable of throwing a ball away?

    Why did Gary Walker seem to play a lot better yesterday? Just because he used to play for Jacksonville? Dude needs to brng it everygame. I guess he played decently against Cleveland, too?

    Jonathan Wells played pretty well in DD absence. I'm not convinced DD is the star back that many think he is just because he is the only one generally who can do anything offensively.
     
  14. Rocketman95

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    I don't think too many people believe he's a star back, necessarily. It just makes zero sense to draft someone with your first pick that would replace the one position that is getting it done consistently.
     
  15. gunn

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    It's not about that. It's about getting a game breaker on the field. Davis is a good player, but he is not being confused for the game breaker that Bush is.
     
  16. Rocketman95

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    How is he going to be a gamebreaker on this team and with this line, especially when there's no guarnatee that he will be a gamebreaker in the NFL? If it was any other season, I'd agree that you should take him first, but this is going to be our 5th draft...we have to start drafting on need.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    There's no guarantee that Bush will be a game breaker. The examples of great college RB's who do nothing in the NFL are too numerous to list.

    I say we trade down and draft O-lineman. Maybe 2 with first round picks if possible. This draft is supposed to be loaded with O-linemen. This is the year to start building the O-line. Better late than never.
     
  18. RocketJedi

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    If you could gurantee me right now that Reggie Bush is the second coming of Ladanian Tomlinson, then sure take him. However there are no gurantees in the draft, so you must go with history. History tells is that franchise left tackles are almost always found at the top of the 1st round, they do not come around that often and rarely hit the open market. The fact is that a quality left tackle is far more valuable than a back that possesses game breaking potential. However we must be totally convinced that D'Brickashaw Ferguson fits that mold, as I said no gurantees.
     
  19. JayZ750

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    It just hasn't been too clear to me that DD is THAT much better than even Wells. Obviously, in a full year as the feature back DD did better than Wells did in his year in that role. But that was year 1, behing the worst OL in history as a rookie back with a rookie QB and no other weapons. Domanick, on the other hand, had the benefit of some improvement in the line, in Carr's game and in receivers. He has been good, though, I'd say, but not all that great, and has had some fumbling problems at inopportune times.

    I'm not saying they should replace Davis with Wells. I'm just curious as to what kind of value DD would have in the market (mid 1st rounder or mid 3rd rounder).
     
  20. swilkins

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    This is the only acceptable thing to do.
     

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