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After First All Star Ballot Return , Once Again Yao is First

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by WhoMikeJames, Dec 15, 2005.

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thephatp said:

If that's really all it's about, then why do the coaches (as I was recently corrected) get to pick the reserves? And who do they usually pick? The rest of the most popular guys? Or the ones who have had the best season so far? It's the latter (just in case there was any question).

I agree with you to a small extent. But according to all other "All-Star" games, I doubt anyone would agree that it's ONLY about who the fans want to see and about who's popular. All-Star games have been defined as the best players.

Now, that said, it's usually the best players that are most popular, so this goes hand in hand. However, the VC getting a vote to start after having played less than a handful of games made me angry, as well as others, I'm sure. And if he'd actually played, that would just added fuel to the fire (good move, VC, for not starting).

But all this can be put aside since the reserves are picked by the coaches and I'm an idiot. So forgive me.
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In that case, doesn't it seem like a fair deal to you? The fans (whom the league contend this whole event is for in the first place) get to pick the starters, but in order not to make it a total joke, the 'experts' in the league get to pick the most deserving players left out by the fans as reserves.

Fair enough, IMO.

#21 tigermission1, Dec 15, 2005

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nyquil82 said:

no, no, no.. he's implying that people from china are coming in hordes to the US to fill in the paper ballots and then going back. God forbid non-chinese people voting for yao, that would be national backstabbing!
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Yao will never win, there will always be some "yellow peril" conspiracy no matter how the results turn out if they elect him the starting center in the ASG. All Star votes are popularity contests so the critics should just deal with it. If the critics want to take the vote away from the people, let them talk to Stern about changing the system to one like the Heisman voting where the sports writers vote for the players.

#22 tiger0330, Dec 15, 2005
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Yao is so popular that basketball fans all over the world love him. You can do nothing about it. If you do want to blame sb., blame NBA, blame Stern, because voting is open to everyone in the world, not just American. And even American people love him. His impact is on and off the court

#23 cenbo416, Dec 15, 2005
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thephatp said:

Does anyone agree that basketball All-Start voting should be changed to mimic baseball all-star voting? I mean, it's sad that both the starters AND the back-ups are all by popularity. In MLB, the fans only pick the starting position players. MLB players select the pitchers, and managers fill up the rest of the roster (except the fans choose the last player).

At least like this it would be a little more fair for those who are as popular but actually DESERVE to be in the All-Star game.

Anyone with me??
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Are you just kidding me?

Back-ups are selected by coaches in NBA.

#24 Himalayas, Dec 15, 2005
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Himalayas said:

Are you just kidding me?

Back-ups are selected by coaches in NBA.
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Yeah, I'm just joking...funny...Thursday humor.

HOW LONG IS THIS WEEK GOING TO LAST?????

#25 thephatp, Dec 15, 2005
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yao is clearly the best center in the western conference so i don't even see what all the fuss is about. he deserves to start.

#26 BigM, Dec 15, 2005
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And I'm tired of the "He's 7'6", he should be dominating the league." If they're going to use that argument, then they have to compare him to those within 1-3 inches of his height. If they don't, then they need to shut up about the 7'6" factor.

CAREER STATISTICS

Name- Points, Rebounds, Field Goal %,Free Throw %

Manute Bol (7'7")- 5.5, 4.2, 42%, 56%
Mark Eaton (7'4")- 6.0, 11.0, 45%, 64%
Shawn Bradley (7'6")- 8.1, 6.3, 45%, 71%
Gheorge Muresan (7'7")- 9.8, 6.4, 57%, 64%
Rik Smits (7'4")- 14.8, 6.1, 50%, 77%
Ralph Sampson (7'4")- 15.4, 8.8, 48%, 66%

Yao Ming (7'6")- 16.6, 8.5, 52%, 80%

And Yao Ming's numbers have gone up every year in almost every category.

#27 dandorotik, Dec 15, 2005

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dandorotik said:

And I'm tired of the "He's 7'6", he should be dominating the league." If they're going to use that argument, then they have to compare him to those within 1-3 inches of his height. If they don't, then they need to shut up about the 7'6" factor.

CAREER STATISTICS

Name- Points, Rebounds, Field Goal %,Free Throw %

Manute Bol (7'7")- 5.5, 4.2, 42%, 56%
Mark Eaton (7'4")- 6.0, 11.0, 45%, 64%
Shawn Bradley (7'6")- 8.1, 6.3, 45%, 71%
Gheorge Muresan (7'7")- 9.8, 6.4, 57%, 64%
Rik Smits (7'4")- 14.8, 6.1, 50%, 77%
Ralph Sampson (7'4")- 15.4, 8.8, 48%, 66%

Yao Ming (7'6")- 16.6, 8.5, 52%, 80%

And Yao Ming's numbers have gone up every year in almost every category.
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In Sampson's defense...I think he could have been Kareem-esque if it weren't for his chronic knee problems.

#28 Kyrodis, Dec 15, 2005
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Leading vote getter in the entire effing league and he gets zero respect from the refs. Unbelievable. If Stern weren't so stupid, it'd be hard to believe.

#29 Visagial, Dec 15, 2005
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Kyrodis said:

In Sampson's defense...I think he could have been Kareem-esque if it weren't for his chronic knee problems.
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Totally agree. Comparing Yao with a young Ralph Sampson is certainly a compliment. And, to be truthful, comparing Yao to Smits is really not that bad, either- although Yao is definitely better. Rik was a good player and a key reason why Indiana went to the Finals in 2000.

#30 dandorotik, Dec 15, 2005
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Kareem had chronic problems...

#31 yaopao, Dec 15, 2005
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yaopao said:

Kareem had chronic problems...
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Kareem also had chronic championships...

#32 Patience, Dec 15, 2005
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Brad Miller got no love! Chris Mihm > Miller?
Thanks to Yao..... David Wesley > Mike Bibby

#33 ccjj, Dec 15, 2005

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Differance between MLB and NBA is that in the MLB the all star game matters a lot. It decides home field advantage in the World Series. That is real big, might have changed the faith of teh Astros loss. Thats why reserves are picked, cause it is more of a serious game where teams want talent rather than popularity. NBA ASG is simply for money and fun.

#34 bplld, Dec 15, 2005
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Yao, earn ... earn it. Son.

#35 ooliverb1, Dec 15, 2005
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wow David Wesley has more votes than J-Rich, Jason Terry, & Mike Bibby!

David Wesley (Hou.) 89,818
Jason Richardson (G.S.) 82,950
Jason Terry (Dal.) 76,993
Mike Bibby (Sac.) 66,004

#36 vunny1408, Dec 15, 2005
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m_cable said:

Yao will lead the league in all-star votes because he is a likeable player and has no competition. None of the top western centers can be considered popular players at all (Camby, Miller, Dampier etc). At least in the East, Ben Wallace can steal a few votes away from Shaq.
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I do not care whether he is likeable or not, or whatever. Unless Shaq is still in the West, Yao is the top center if not the best this season. There is no problem whatsoever for fans to vote him in. It is not like that fans vote Kandi man as the starting center. Yao deserves it as much as Camby deserves it. If Camby is voted as the starter, no problem at all.

Anyway, I think both Camby and Yao will play in the AS game

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There might be a lot of Chinese fans votes for Yao and votes T-Mac in also, I remember years back Francis gets the vote to start for West guard also.

I also am tired of hearing that Yao was starting because there's so many billions of chinese people. I bet there's also a lot of US fans like me that keep stuffing the ballots for both TMac & Yao day after day.

I feel very under-appreciated because us U.S. voters don't get the credit we deserved.

#38 rvpals, Dec 15, 2005

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Zboy said:

Barkely is gonna be crushed looking at the numbers. He has been lobbying hard for Camby to get the votes.

This year though, I think they are showing the vote counts, including in US. If Yao gets more votes in US, then all the "he wins only coz he got 5000 billlion votes from China" excuses should stop.

Feel bad for Yao. No matter what happens, he still manages to be a scapegoat somehow.
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Screw Charles, it seemed he rarely say anything positive about the Rockets.

#39 rvpals, Dec 15, 2005
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rvpals said:

There might be a lot of Chinese fans votes for Yao and votes T-Mac in also, I remember years back Francis gets the vote to start for West guard also.

I also am tired of hearing that Yao was starting because there's so many billions of chinese people. I bet there's also a lot of US fans like me that keep stuffing the ballots for both TMac & Yao day after day.

I feel very under-appreciated because us U.S. voters don't get the credit we deserved.
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SF got in the ASG before Yao was drafted. You cannot put that on Chinese fans.

#40 canoner2002, Dec 15, 2005

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