If you need to ask or dont understand, then you are a racist(whether you will accept it or not) Ex: Black man comes around the corner in the direction of your car....You lock it...This is racist....You may say, "It's safe". Its racist... Many examples like this....If you notice a interracial couple, is interracial.. Then this is racist. When you see two of the same race do you think, "There goes two honkeys in love" and vice versa...No you dont...Now will this always be the case in the world...Yes, as long as we are alive...Maybe in 100-1000 years when we become more of a "gray race" then the question of race will no longer be an issue....Until then....Race it up
and to answer the thread.....Blacks can call whites ****A, Blacks can call blacks *****ER.....Whites can do niether.....WHY? Its a brotherhood of sorts....If you were in the marines, you could call a fellow marine a jarhead and get away with it.....If you were in the Army and said it to a marine, get ready to fight
LOL. I was about to put in the exact same comment. Quite frankly, I don't understand this kind of debates at all. A calls B an a$$ or something, B feels offended, and yet A keeps asking why B felt so, because he heard B called his buddy that too, or technically, or historically that word "a$$" isn't that bad, and when A called B an a$$, his intention was noble etc etc. The same garbage goes over and over again. The question itself insults intellegence of an average grown-up. It's a free country, one can insult or feel insulted all he/she wants. If one wants to offend others repeatedly, even after he/she was made clear what he/she did/said was offensive, that person is free to do so, except for accepting the accompanying repercussion. But to argue the technical meaning of the offensive word to justify the insulting, that's just cowardish and disgusting.
Well, evidently blacks can call whites crackers/honkey and Mexicans wetbacks, if you go by all the comedians. Complicates things even further as to why that is okay. Because whites and Mexicans don't make too big a deal out of it?
lol you are pretty far out there. so it's racist for him to ask why ***** is acceptable among african americans? that is stupid. also, i use african americans and not blacks for a reason, since this something that originated from the african american ethnic group. also, it's racist to call a black person a sellout who talks or acts "white".
When his wife is in mood, B can get intimate with her all he wants. A came in and wanted to do that with B's wife as well. Both B and B'wife told A clearly, NO. We do NOT want to, and you CAN NOT. A looked very puzzled, and asked why. A asked B: "Why can't I do something to her just like you do?" A then asked B's wife: "Why did you allow B to do that to you, but not me?" On a side note, if B's wife is not in mood, B can't do whatever he usually does, either. But it's ALL decided by B's wife, what and whom she accepts.
In reference to the "C" word debate, I don't think the intent was ever to ask anyone to defend why they get offended by something. I don't think that is the thread starters intention here either. I believe the intention of both threads was just to become educated and have a discussion about why things are the way they are. It's a testament to how touchy these subjects are that there are people in both threads that get bent out of shape instead of intelligently talking about these things. For me it is strictly a matter of curiousity and there is no intention to offend, just to discuss and learn from each other. It's easy for someone to say "well you aren't from such and such race so you can't understand" and "don't try to ask to understand because now you are asking me to justify my offense" and "it's just the way it is honkey". Sometimes people ask things just because they are curious. On a slightly different tangent. One day I was working at the State Library just across from the capital building when I heard there was a Black Panther rally on the South side of the Capital. I hopped on over with a cup of coffee - as i always went and checked out the demonstrations when I had a chance. Always interesting to hear what people had to say. Being the paisty pale white boy that I am I received some interesting looks as I walked up. I was seriously the only white boy around other than the news crews. Everyone was pretty cool with me although there was some negativity directed to me from a few individuals (a few of the people were just full of hate - no way around it). Some of those people were outright rude and mean, but I usually take the attitude of "kill them with kindness" unless it happens to be a bad day on the freeway. Everyone has their limits. The whole purpose of the rally was that this particular segment of the Black Panthers felt that a monetary amount should be paid by white people as an atonement for the past sins of slavery. After the rally was over every camera in the place descended on me as the only token white boy to ask me what my thoughts on the subject. It's an interesting thing to tell a ten person deep circle of Black Panthers that you don't agree with them, but respect their right to protest, on local television. My view was that it was time to move on and improve on what has been started through the civil rights movement. That I felt these types of views might possibly move things backwards instead of forwards and that the real atonement would be through ensuring that equality in education and opportunity was available to all. That these are the areas where modern society falls short and where it is difficult for everyone to have as much as a level playing field as possible. I view African American society as using the "N" word as a way to empower themselves by claiming a piece of the world that nobody else can have. I can understand this, but it is still confusing and I imagine that there are African Americans who find it equally confusing and wish the word would just go away. I don't have a problem with any of this, but do have a problem when the scales of justice tip a little too far and it is suddenly viewed as OK for another race to have hatred and bigotry for a certain race based on things that happened in the past. Two wrongs don't make a right. three lefts make a right. It's as in the Chinaman thread where I am being attacked and called a racist hypocrite by a man who then states that Chinese minorities are more successful in society than Black minorities because of the pacifist nature of Chinese people. there were so many stereotypes and hypocricies in that one thread by that one poster that it becomes a mockery of a debate and simply turns into everyone getting offended by everything. I stand by my statement that the rest of the world takes things too seriously. All of you - the honkey crackers, the black folk, the japanamen and the Chinese. Cheers, Brock
Spoken words are ultimately just a bunch of sounds. What gives them meaning is historical use and the intent, real and perceived, of its usage by the user as well as the power behind the word. Why is "Brit" okay but "Jap" not? I mean you could technically say both are just shorthands for British and Japanese peoples. But "Brit" has not been historically used in a hostile derogatory manner while "Jap" was used in such a way during WWII. Now if the UK had been ruled by a Hitler-type and the US and Britain were engaged in a world war, then Brit too might be considered a slur today. Historical usage does matter. Why is it "okay" when blacks use the n-word but not others? Because obviously the perceived intent and power behind the word is very different depending on who is using the word. That this is very obvious and needs explanation boggles the mind. When a black person hears another black person its not like there's a fear of racial hostility from a fellow black person. When a non-black person says it, that fear is obviously real. This is so blatantly obvious yet people keep asking this stupid question again and again. As a non-racial example, it is the same as when your older brother might use pet name to call you. If you actually don't mind and know his intent is obviously to be endearing than he can call you that name. However, if someone else used that name clearly in a hostile derogatory way, you'd be rightfully offended even though you don't mind when your older brother uses that name.
I agree with you on some points, but as to the stupidity of this discussion I don't see it. I see stupidity as taking the stance of "that's just the way things are now shut up". I see discussion of the topic as a way to learn from each other. You have an oversimplified view of things I believe. What if a man heard your brother use that pet name for you and he too used that pet name, but was not clearly intending to insult, degrade or be hostile? I know, I know... just accept it. It's the way things are. don't talk about it because you might be called a racist hypocrite. Ignorance is bliss, no?
I agree 100% If a Asian American says C****Man is offense I just say ok and move on . . . I may ask why it offends them but not for justification . . but just for general knowledge Rocket River
Why ask why... I guess within the races, we all get a "Get Out of Jail" free card and can degrade our own race...Kinda like how you can spank your own child, but not anyone else's... If it sounds bad, don't say it...
If that pet name is obviously offensive in a general sense then it would be obviously unwise to use it despite it being used by his brother. That's just simple common sense. If the pet name is not obviously offensive and you use it and the person tells you only his brother calls him that and no one else then you respect it and not insist on using it because his brother uses it. It is that simple. You don't argue and debate about why you can't use it when his brother can and some such nonsense, you respect that you can't use it.
If I said, 'Hey, what's up dude?'. And someone goes off on me because I called them dude. And they told me to never call them that again. Why? Because that's just the way it is. Well, that's pretty stupid. I'm not saying ***** is like dude, but the way kids use it these days it's not far from it. But give a good explanation of things. Not just because it is so.
exactly my point. I agree with you that if you know the word is offensive it should not be used. I don't think anyone is arguing that fact. If you are ignorant of the fact the word is offensive, and have no offensive intent, it is obviously a different story. With the "N" word there is something else entirely that is going on there. I love Chappelle, but it sometimes makes me cringe when he uses that word. The intersting thing is he can use it while making remarks to any race - even a white kid playing a video game. That's confusing to me. It seems like there is a double standard of racism there that allows some African Americans to direct racism at others without consequence. In the "C" word thread it was similar. It was OK to offend and insult those of another culture as long as white people weren't insulting or offending Chinese people. I can see that discussion on this topic is probably a futile effort.
If you call someone "dude" and he doesn't want you to call him that then you don't call him that. HOWEVER, "dude" to an overwhelming vast majority of people has no negative connotations so no one would blame you or claim you had hostile intent. Comparing the word "dude" which had no negative connotations to an overwhelming vast majority of people to the n-word which should be obvious to almost all fluent American English speakers who grew up in the US is beyond ridiculous.
It it not "OK" for any race to insult or offend any other race. But even so, this doesn't mean that all racial insults and epithets are equivalent in their effect and power. If a lone yound kid uses a curse word on an adult, it isn't okay for him to do so. But unless he was armed or an obvious threat, its not going to have the same potency as an adult cursing out a young defensely kid. It doesn't mean it is okay for either to use it but the difference in "potency" can't be ignored as completely irrelevant either. Now before people misunderstand, I'm not trying to say that some races are like children and other races are like adults. I'm simply making this point to explain that power differential matters and this is a real obvious way to do it. If you are a black person in the Jim Crow racist South and hear a racial epithet, well you're reminded in your face of how helplessly and powerless and oppressed you are and fear a lynching happening. But if you are a powerful white man hearing a racial epithet from a black man, you're not obviously feeling helpless and powerless and oppressed and fearing lynching by a black mob. This should be pretty self-evident and obvious. It doesn't mean its right for either to use epithets but power behind the words matter in terms of one situation being "worse" than another. Is that so hard to understand?
yes. it is hard for me to understand. it sounds like justification to me and it reeks of racial bias - which is what is apparently the originating problem.
I agree. If he doesn't want me to call him that then I won't. But don't get all pissy when I ask why not. And don't say because that's just the way it is. As for comparing dude to the n-word being beyond ridiculous, I would have agreed with you years ago except for the fact that you see it now on TV and in movies increasingly. It's definitely still not comparable. But you can't say it's ridiculous anymore.
