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Afghanistan's dirty little secret

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. BetterThanEver

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    It all depends on the position. It's 10 times more likely to get it as the receiver than the giver. I couldn't find stats for an uninfected man catching it from an infected woman. It's very low.

    http://aids.about.com/od/hivaidsstats/f/infectionrisk.htm

     
  2. Steve_Francis_rules

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    In addition to BetterThanEver's post above, you could take a look at the the table on the HIV wikipedia page. That's where I got my numbers. I know it's wikipedia, but it is heavily referenced.

    The transmission probabilities are really surprisingly low.
     
  3. durvasa

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    Only 0.1% that a female would receive it through vaginal intercourse, and 0.05% that a male would receive it through vaginal intercourse. And that is without a condom. I would have guessed it was higher than 30%, so I was way off.
     
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  4. ChrisBosh

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    Still don't get where you are going with this. You've just repeated what you said earlier.

    When I was in the UAE I used to hear about Arab farmers getting busy with animals quite often. Does that mean UAE culture is into beastiality? I think not. There used to be running jokes at my school about Arabs and animals. It did not make it true.

    Also why go to Aghanistan for sex tourism when Dubai is practically a hotbed for prostitues and w**** houses? I'm sure they have the money to import little boys....it makes no sense to go to Afghanistan...more importantly why would anyone want to go to such a dangerous place for sex when there are more stable countries that have this going for them.

    You said it was common in their culture, as though this is something they grow up knowing they will get into. That's utter and complete bull.
     
  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Maybe it's true about the Arab farmers, who knows. I don't know of anyone ever being caught though, which is key.

    The sex tourism we're talking about here is not prostitute. It's little children for sale. It's not easy to buy/sell children in Dubai, although they used to do so from Afghanistan, India and Pakistan for multiple reasons. Those countries get the nod because people from here like to hunt, and hunting is pretty good in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. It's very common.

    It is a common theme among those people. Whether they want it to be part of their culture, I doubt. But the reality of it is different. Also, your assumption is false. Not every bedouin gets into falconry, and not every Brazilian gets into football. Just because something is a part of culture, doesn't mean everyone does it.

    Anyways, you seem agitated and I'm not too interested at this point. I just don't like covering things up, and if this perception is being circulated, the wise thing to do is open it up and the truth will come out. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps you're wrong, but to minimize the idea is a disservice to Muslims. Perhaps if this kind of problem was discussed more openly in the Catholic circles, they would have been able to avoid some of the problems which plagued/plague them. Who knows.

    I'm just saying, shedding light on something is good because it exposes truth.
     
  6. ChrisBosh

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    It was in the newspaper and these guys did get caught. The jokes didn't come out of thin air.

    Again you don't have any proof that it is actually taking place on a widespread level. It should be investigated if it is, but as of now it is not known. Children are sold and used for labour, it is common practise but that doesn't mean they are also being sexed.

    Your definition of culture is strange to me then. Child sex abuse is not something taught or learned through teachings. Its just a bunch of disturbed perverts taking advantage of the weak. They have child sex rings across the globe, there is no culture teaching or promoting this. If so, that would be deeply disturbing.

    You might be right, this might be true and it is being covered up. But in a country such as Afghanistan with people so poor, I'm sure there would be a lot more evidence of this problem if it did exist.

    OR

    It could be used to demonize the enemy for moral boost of the troops and people back home. This strategy is the oldest one in the book.


    I would just like more evidence to be convinced of the problem, I can't really judge one way or the other. You keep repeating it as though it is fact and I think that it is wrong. Dubai has some major issues, it attracts a lot of shady characters, these people don't exactly represent the people of the country they are from.
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    1) Then good thing they got exposed.
    2) Well it's perceived as being done commonly so that's worrying enough for me.
    3) It may not be taught or learned directly, but it is not talked about and ignored while there are some doing it. A child starts understanding this as "it's ok as long as it's kept quiet".
    4) There would be absolutely no evidence, I can't fathom why you think otherwise.
    5) That's fine. You want to give them the benefit of a doubt, but I don't. As for Dubai, I was talking about the Emaratis, of which I am one.
     
  8. ChrisBosh

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    I find it disturbing that you would allow a perception to become a deciding factor in your opinion. To each their own I guess.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I find it disturbing that you ignore the facts just because they don't support your bias.
     
  10. Honey Bear

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    Agreed. His ignorance is extremely alienating and shady, and it's obvious he's in denial because it hits so close to home. It's similar to a white collar American in the 90's pretending that drive by's aren't prevalent because it's only a hood problem, not something you see in Beverly Hills. All the while his kids are going to there to pick up their monthly stash of weed. "There just isn't enough evidence, and the lower socio-economic regions aren't representative of America as whole."

    Will be interesting to see how ChrisBosh tries to pull himself out of this one.
     
  11. ChrisBosh

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    LOL, I expected you to chime in, you fall into that type of thinking I mentioned in my last post. There is no evidence that would lead one to think that this is a widespread problem. I have no reason to be biased here, as I have no affiliation with Afghanistan. I believe the people there are stuck in the stone age and represent a society as such. They have a countless number of issues within their culture and practises of religion, but still I don't see how that is evidence to support the claim being made. Children are the most vulnerable in countries that are war torn, so I recognize the dangers. Unlike you I prefer to see some sort of emperical evidence to make my judgement about a group of people as apposed to theories or conjecture.
     
  12. ChrisBosh

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    Ronron, there is no pulling out of nothing. I stand by what I have posted in this thread. Fact is nobody knows who is right here as neither side can use any study that validates their claim. Its a, he said, she said game, that's all this is. Funny how you assume that it "hits close to home", I'm not from any country that is even remotely close to Afghanistan.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    Empirical evidence - and how do you think that "empirical evidence" would be collected? Have every boy that gets abused fill out a survey after it happens?

    You can watch this video:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/

    There are some films on this site as well:

    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com...ung-boys-are-the-entertainment-for-grown-men/
     
  14. da_juice

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    I don't see how this is surprising, hasn't anyone seen the kite runner?
     
  15. Yetti

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    I though every worldly person knew about the arabs- :p
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    Afghans arent arabs...
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    I believe he was talking about the goat love rumor.
     
  18. bullardfan

    bullardfan なんでやねん

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    So did the Greeks, Romans, Catholics, FIFA...

    so what.
     

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