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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    I think you’re worst than the Taliban
     
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    Are you feeling ok? Yes the friends I have and direct conversations with their families, footage etc about how this wasn’t coordinated but a rush to gtfo. This was never going to be a war we would win swiftly it was stupid to go there in the first place, but the handling over the last couple of yrs has been embarrassing. The people are welcoming them because they are a brutal backwards ass regime that took over the country in a week and they don’t want to be burned alive.

    When you get over your blind love for Biden maybe you’ll see
     
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    imagine the chutzpah to presume to represent the policy views of vets
     
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    You cannot make people fight a war they don't want to fight. This is worse then the Vietnam retreat, at least South Vietnam lasted a little while.
     
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    There were more options than forever wars and the rushed withdrawal. I did not support expending any more resources on faux nation-building, but I would absolutely have supported a policy of extracting Afghanis who have worked for and supported those same troops you mentioned. Leaving them at the mercy of the Taliban is a massive moral and political failure.

    The next time we have to intervene militarily - whether it be to ease ethnic tensions in a region or to perhaps even oust a government that poses a real threat to the safety of ourselves or our allies - can we reasonably expect anyone to help us other than the few altruists that exist in any society? Can we pressure countries guilty of similar neglect to take more responsibility?

    I will be calling my representatives tomorrow to push them to remove any bureaucratic or logistical obstacles to receiving Afghani allies into the US. I don’t hold out much hope for any action but it’s the best I can do.
     
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    The rate of collapse is sad yet it's twenty years in the making.

    I'm not sure how vested people have been over the last twenty years but it feels good to rubberneck.
     
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    Even the most pessimistic projections weren’t pessimistic enough.
     
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    Once again nobody is denying this at all. No doubt we should've airlifted them out but nobody had any idea the Afghani military wouldn't even put up a single fight. Reports are that not even a single Afghani solider died protecting the capital. This was all planned behind our back and like I said we need to see people accountable. The intelligence agency and commanders who have been lying to us for decades need to be held accountable. The military has been lying to us for much too long and if I'm biden I ask for several resignations Monday morning.

     
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    even CNN is beating up on the administration

     
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    I think GOP have a very good chance in 2022 and 2024 as long as they don't pull a Trump II again.
     
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    I think there’s an important clarification here. The intelligence agencies and Pentagon officials who were in charge of gathering info on Afghanistan were not the same ones in charge of communicating with the public. I read a few articles in a series by WaPo recently, and it seems like plenty of intelligence officials knew about the fragility of the Afghan security forces. But the people in charge of messaging were being told to communicate something else.

    Let’s be real here - when I said the blood is on all our hands, it’s because we continue to elect leaders who have no incentive to be honest with us. The moment a leader says “hey, this **** is a problem and it’s not going to be an easy fix,” voters flock to the guy who poo-poos such talk as pessimism, promises that we are still an exceptional nation and declares that God will provide and bless us. When we elect people who talk like that, it’s no wonder we rarely hear the truth when things aren’t all roses.

    I just went back to look at posts here from 2001 regarding Afghanistan and it’s pretty amazing to see how even the most reasonable of posters who still post here today were convinced that invading Afghanistan was the right idea. As someone who felt the whole thing was ill-conceived, I remember feeling very alone in the world at the time.
     
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    that's just a human desire. no one goes to churches where pastors are telling beliers they are going to hell. they want prosperity messages.
    no one wants to tell customers on sales calls their software can't fix all their organizational issues. no one wants to be the bad guy! rosy messages are what gets hand claps.
     
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    Imagine if we had totally bailed Germany after 20 years.
     
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    Some young reporter from Kazakhstan is increasingly dissatisfied with how the Afghanistan withdraw went, blaming the Uzbeks and other minority groups, and goes on to become Dictator of the Afghani National Socialist Party.
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    There was peace in the Middle East when Trump was around...just sayin'
     

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