So how are we going to blame this on Orange man so Biden can sidestep his failure on this? We had the ability to leave this country largely with a future but instead Biden gave the Tabliban EVERYTHING by backing out of agreements. Then he even gave them American military equipment. This action casted doubt on the withdrawal and showed bad faith; giving the Taliban recruitment fodder when it initially didn't have the support. Good job Biden. Good ****ing job from our former VP. Way to botch foreign policy in a region where your word means everything by ******** all over their agreements.
This was always going to be the outcome if we left in 2006, 2012, 2021 or 2050. Anyone who thinks this would ever go another way is delusional.
Mark Miley has to be fired or resign immediately. It would be good policy and politics for Biden (or whomever is telling Biden what to do) to do so. A plan for an orderly Afghanistan withdrawal should have been at the highest priority of Miley's war plans, given the high likelihood a President would order it. And if it was a priority and executed on this poorly, that's even worse. I don't necessarily buy the argument that we need to withdraw because we've been there 20 years. If having a presence there prevents the planning of terrorist attacks on the US homeland ala 9/11, and we can do that with fewer than 30 deaths per year since 2015, maintaining that presence may still be worthwhile, regardless of the duration. The absence of terrorist attacks is the benefit, not whether or not we've defeated some enemy there or turned the country into a democracy.
I don’t see any real reason to believe our physical presence in Afghanistan prevented 9/11 type attacks being carried our against the U.S. homeland. There’s little-to-no logical corollary there.
The logic is we (meaning the Afghan army supported by some US ground/air power) wipe out any terrorist training camps like the one's used to execute 9/11. And we haven't had any such attacks. So there is a correlation, if not for certain causation. From the outside it's hard to know how much of that was going on. All I'm saying is that the simple fact that we've been there for 20 years is not by itself evidence that we haven't achieved anything.
In the early 2000's, Afghanistan was really the main failed state out there for terrorists to find safe harbor. Today, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, much of northern Africa, etc, are all essentially dysfunctional places. The Taliban was largely just neutral on terrorism (it was a marriage of convenience for them), but these other states are likely actually supportive of these groups, so there's no real need for terrorists to rely on Afghanistan anymore, unfortunately.
My brother (serving in the German army and in contact with countless Afghanistan vets) said it's no surprise. The instructors responsible for training the Afghanistan police&army he talked to were apparently daily mortified at how extremely dumb&lazy most of the police and soldiers were, they showed pretty much no effort and also often stole equipment. They massively outweigh the Taliban when it comes to training& equipment, but just can't be bothered to actually fight and defend their soil.
Jim Joyner: Who Lost Afghanistan? The postmortems are well underway. https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/who-lost-afghanistan/ excerpt: It’s too early to know how history will judge these events but it would be absurd to lay the blame on Biden, or even Trump. Writing for The Daily Beast, David Rothkoff argues “America’s Catastrophic Afghanistan Exit Has Many Fathers.” While I don’t agree with all of his analysis, he’s right. For my own part, President George W. Bush, who initiated the war, achieved its initial objectives, but then vastly expanded its remit without resourcing it for the remaining seven years of his administration surely deserves the lion’s share. And Obama, who cynically doubled down on it with a “Surge” while simultaneously declaring that the withdrawal would begin just a few months later, deserves almost as much. He got a lot of Americans killed—the vast majority who died in the conflict did so under his watch, not Bush’s—knowing damn well that it would be for naught. Trump was incompetent in his handling of the mess but that we needed to exit was of course right. As to Biden, I would have preferred a more planned withdrawal but the die was largely cast. And, as Rothkopf notes, the decision to back the Mujahadeen in 1979 also deserves mention. more at the link
Are you effin kiding me?! Staying in Afghanistan literally has no bearing whether another 9/11 will happen or not. The 9/11 terrorist got funding from the saudis and did flight training here in america. Quit this bullshit fearmongering narrative that being in Afghanistan somehow prevents another 9/11. Lets risk our soliders with the expectation that maybe another 9/11 wont happen. Give me a effin break. are you effin kidding me?! what agreement did biden not uphold you dofus. After biden made the decision in march to withdrawl the troops trump released a statement saying it was a beautiful thing to have done but he said biden should've withdrawn faster then he was. Its amazing how effin some of you war mongering neocons truly are. WE WILL NEVER DEFEAT TALIBAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAFE HARBOR IN PAKISTAN! Wtf do some of you people not understand. We've given them HUNDREADS of billions of dollars and their army doesnt even fight for their land yet all the neo con war mongers want to keep fighting for someone elses war. Everyone bashes on Presidents claiming they are bought out and never make hard decisions yet biden did something in which he knew was going to have consequences. Biden is the first true populist president we've had in a century and some of you idiots cant comprehend it. THis is how biden thinks of Afghanistan and everything he says is exactly on point how can you disagree with him?!
Its funny how all the trump turds magically forgot that Trump endorsed this after biden announced it and said he would have moved FASTER to withdraw the troops. They somehow also forgot that Trump had invited the taliban to camp david around 9/11 to discuss peace deal. https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...out-wonderful-and-positive-thing-to-do-2021-4 Wheres the lie in this? The people of AFGHAN are literally accepting the taliban yet war mongering neo cons in America and the military establishment backed state media is pushing this narrative of women rights LOL. Get the fk out
That was almost funny. Closest they have come to actually being funny ever, or at least in a long time.
