Well, my whole family is vegetarian/believes in animal rights. And though I do consider myself liberal, I would vote for a Republican if they were the better choice (someone like that Gary Johnson guy). My mom is a bit more understanding about my political leanings than my dad...I think she used to believe in a lot of things I do, was a feminist, experimented with different things in her twenties. She just feels differently now. And you know what? I more or less want to be like my parents when I'm >60. They're financially responsible, classy for the most part, and have truly found some sort of crazy balanced happiness with each other. I don't want to be going out and drinking and smoking pot in 20 years...I'd rather have a family. Maybe initially I wanted to rebel. But I am very aware of those feelings and inclinations. Everything I believe now, I believe it because I've truly spent the time thinking about it and it's where I stand. You can't fake a belief in god. And I had been trying to fake it for years. That is something I know is genuinely felt and conceived. It's why I was reluctant for so long to admit my unbelief, I was trying to cling onto that feeling of safeness. But now I understand exactly WHY I believe what I do and I'm much more confident in it.
So, using your own logic, it is patently unreasonable to either be a Christian, or be against the use of drugs, etc...? Really? You're comfortable with thinking that only "uneducated" people who fail to adhere to reason in shaping their world view would have those values or mores? .
Yikes !! Then those people are better off without their parents...if they are that unwilling to accept their own kids choices. DD
You might think so, but a lot of people who are sheltered by their parents from reality can remain in a cocoon of ignorance that causes them to miss (delay) stages of usual development. At least I know this was the case for me.
It's clear that FB has reached her beliefs through educating herself and using reason. Her post history illustrates that. That was the point. She isn't some dumbass that formed her beliefs to be a rebel or without educating herself. But, since you like to dive in and b**** about things like this I will tell you that I 100% believe it is unreasonable to be believe in a personal god. I could not care less if you that bothers you or any other religious person.
It's not really my "own logic" as much as it is taking the definition of the word "reason" and then defining what Christianity entails and seeing that the two concepts are mutually exclusive. I don't want to jack her thread. Search my posts if you want to know how I feel. I've been pretty clear about it many times in D&D.
Hey Dave -- I'd bet that you and I would probably agree on most issues... I don't pretend to know Refman's beliefs... I'm thinking he was probably just speaking in general about how we should be intellectually consistent in realizing that, hey, there are people who sincerely believe certain things...and just because we may fall on the opposite end of the spectrum from them doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate what they bring to the table. Or respect that they're coming from a different place or belief-system that we do. Because the counter to that is that when we find ourself in the minority on an issue and we gripe about the perceived intolerance to our personal views -- then we wouldn't have the "standing" to get indignant at their intolerance if we didn't practice that same respect towards others. At least I *think* thats what he was referring to...
Cool. I'll check it out sometime. As you can see from my post count, I'm not on here a ton --- and I've definitely not been in D&D very often, but I'll be sure to check it out!
