Any depression disorder involves risks when introducing medication. It could make you better but could also make you suicidal. I would strongly advise against it.
I think i'm willing to take the risk since i have gone through many suicidal stages in my life. How many should i take for the first time if i am able to get them from a friend? 1 or 2 at most?
Theres a risk if you take stimulants with a pre-existing heart condition, but those are pretty rare. If you are set on trying adderall, then you should start at a low dose, either 5-10mg and increase slowly from there. The worst thing about adderall and other stimulant meds is the rebound that occurs when your brain chemistry returns to its non medicated levels, many people find this part unbearable. Since you are a first time user, the rebound effect will be greater, especially if you start at higher dosages.
I cannot say I have had depression or Suicidal Thoughts. Well . . maybe depression . . hard to say . . .dunno what it feels like to compare *grin* Rocket River
Can anybody give me a link to an ADD test? all I've found is basically more for the ADHD form which I'm definetly not, but I'm curious about the type Lynus302 described.
I'm gonna take a test, too. Word of advise how it pertains to the job: If you're ever told my your boss or job that you're not paying attention or you're "unfocused" and you're in TROUBLE cuz of it, do NOT RELY on THEM for a solution. You almost BETTER to go to a licensed doctor and HELP YOURSELF. Take CHARGE of yourself and the situation. And PLAY the VICTIM. A job's version of "helping" is just by urging more "structure" and "monitoring". More "efficiency". But they don't understand that doesnt work when your brain is mush lol. That just feels like the Daryl Morey 'asset' management rather than getting to to cause. Every human being has times when they don't fire on all cylinders. But if you ever feel yourself "ruminating" on certain stuff over and over, don't look for drugs first but dont be afraid to see consultation by someone. I think individuals kinda know when they're not being as productive as they need to be.
I'm gonna take a test, too. Word of advise how it affects the job: If you're ever told my your boss or job that you're not paying attention or you're "unfocused" and you're in TROUBLE cuz of it, do NOT RELY on THEM for a solution. You almost BETTER to go to a licensed doctor and HELP YOURSELF. Take CHARGE of yourself and the situation. And PLAY the VICTIM. A job's version of "helping" is just by urging more "structure" and "monitoring". More "efficiency" by trimming bloat of processes. But they don't understand that doesnt work when your brain is mush lol. That just feels like the Daryl Morey 'asset' management rather than getting to the cause. Every human being has times when they don't fire on all cylinders. But if you ever feel yourself "ruminating" on certain stuff over and over, don't look for drugs first but dont be afraid to see consultation by someone. I think individuals kinda know when they're not being as productive as they need to be.
Dude, before you start hammering adderal, did you try the caffeine first? Much safer and easier to get. May or may not produce results ...but not much risk. If that doesn't work, try changing your diet. There is lots of info about poor diet and/or food allergies causing behavioral disorders. Do you drink lots of milk? Do you eats lots of nitrates (like hot dogs)? Even if changing your diet doesn't "solve" your problem, it likely will help. Having even blood sugars is huge and higher protein diets can really help ...esp a good breakfast. If you eat cereal (with milk), you get no protein and lots of sugar. Thats a terrible start of your day if you are prone to ADD. ...and all these things are cheap to try. If all that other stuff doesn't help, then resort to seeing a professional who can help with medication.
Dude, tried coffee straight black yesterday, during the day...it knocked me out. I felt like **** and i just wanted to lay down. I don't know if it was mental or what, but i didn't like the feeling. My eyes were basically closing up while in the middle of a conversation. As far as diet goes, i lived off cereal growing up. I always look back at how i was in really good shape, but i had a poor diet. I was just always active all day every day. As soon as the activity stopped, i gained 50 lbs, but mostly from eating fast food late nights every night and getting drunk every night for a year straight. After that i worked night shifts and would eat a lot of ramen noodles b4 going to bed every day for another year. I pretty much wake up at 12 and always miss breakfast and then ill eat cereal or jack n the box when i wake up. I do need to change my diet of course, but i can't afford groceries with no job right now. My family doesn't cook, so were a go buy dollar menu stuff from jack n the box kind of family.
Well first, that isn't a normal reaction. Coffee is a stimulant which means it makes most folks 'wired' but if you say it made you sleepy then that is rather telling. Stimulants have the reverse effect ...which is what seems to have happened to you. Well, there ya go. Before you make anymore attempts at mediating, the cheapest thing you can do is alter your diet. If you are broke, I recommend you spend the day at the grocery store and read lables to search for cheap protein sources. Surprisingly, yoghurt is a great source of protein. Limit yourself on milk and cereal. Find ways to cut out sugary crap and add protein. I promise you that you will start to feel better within days ...although it may not cure you but I promise you will feel better. You say you are broke ...but what is your health worth? Medications, including caffeine, have side effects. Even if you fix one thing then you may cause another ...and you might not be addressing the root cause. ADD is OFTEN a symptom ...not a cause. ...and as you noted, exercise also has a huge benefit to controlling symptoms. There is no silver bullet answer in the form of a pill that will solve all your problems. Diet and exercise are your best ammo to fight it. When THAT doesn't work, then supplement with medication. No easy answers.
I understand, it's just up to me to somehow find that motivation to exercise once again. I just lay in bed all day every day and just stare at the wall. Can't get up to do anything. With school starting up, i'm afraid i won't be able to get fit and healthy enough in time to help get my mind back on track for school work. Not to mention the possibility that getting healthy physically won't change anything. I don't want to fail. I feel this is my last chance to be something in life. Thank you for the help, but it seems it's just up to me now.
Try this, cut out the fast food. If you need motivation, read this Also cheap and easy is trial and error searching for a food allergy. Milk is one of the most common. Here is an interesting article about why humans don't need milk anyway. http://lifehacker.com/5925723/you-dont-need-and-probably-shouldnt-have-milk?tag=health
I can relate. This almost like me talking to myself here. The self imposed deadlines and such. Though I've never tried to seek many therapy or medication options. At work, everyone was into the morning coffee kick(!). Everyone had to get their little coffees together.... I always thought that was some annoying anglo coffee cult stuff cuz I never got SH** out of coffee. Maybe I'm like whats being described as the "un-caffienated" symptoms lol I suggest that if you're one of the types that looks back on the past - to just BLOCK it out, call it a wash, tell others to f*** themselves. And just start on a NEW slate. Everyone has little internal motivations and drives, little "chips on the shoulder". SOMETIMES trying to "over-compensate" for all past things can bury you even DEEPER. There's differing advice in if you should attack things HARD or start small, whether you should put your feet to the fire or ease into things. I say go small to moderate amount at first cuz you'll STILL feel you're being PRODUCTIVE in SOMETHING. Don't go trying to take 7 college courses a semester and all. Get what you can get. (And you'd be surprised how much losing an inch off the waist can free up things. Even if you don't exercise, each ****ty but just eat LESS of it. Over time it can make a difference)
I was big at looking back into the past and fearing/worrying about the future. Decided to bite the bullet to do something at 26 and my life has been picking up 4 years later. People don't follow the same script. What's clear for one at 18 might be clear for another at 35. Don't beat yourself up too much about it. As long as you and the ones you love are in good health and you don't have any kids, keep that chin up and work at it. And if you do have kids or people/yourself to support, you're not alone. It's a little more challenging but not impossible to grab opportunities that you've wanted for a long time. Just think about it...what is failure? What does it mean to you? Write it down, and start thinking about what you'd say if your friend gave the same reasons on that piece of paper. Would you be more forgiving or less? It might not seem like it now, but those who worry have a gift. You can turn that gift inward, or you can direct it outward and solve some of the hardest problems no one else can account for... Self-imposed deadlines can be counter productive if you break them all the time. You punish yourself for no reason. No reason. Your mind is saying, "I want to jump 6 feet like Michael Jordan...in 3 weeks." 3 weeks later, if you can't jump 6 feet, you feel like **** and kick yourself for not doing "things you're supposed to do" to jump 6 feet. And during those 3 weeks, you could be thinking or fearing all kinds of nasty stuff that stops you from acting at all. That part you can control with cognitive therapy along with persistent and active conditioning. Simply put, you're not training yourself like a dog...more like recognizing that 80% of your thoughts are negative garbage and it's okay to let some of the good in while keeping the bad out. Over time, you might actually like yourself... The other part of the equation can be chemical and it'll feel more out of your control. I've written about this in other threads, and because I have written about it and also have gone through some of it, it means that you are not alone. Finding professional help is a great first step. I'm not a Houstonite, but I know others have posted clinics that provide help for free or at a discount. The thing about caffeine is that, as a drug, results may vary. Some people might peak out at half a cup of coffee even if they drink the entire friggin cup. I remember reading one study that advised pacing the "caffeine dosage" throughout the day so that by nighttime, the body isn't undergoing withdrawal symptoms from a larger than expected morning dose. The body wants to be a fine tuned machine, but it operates in analog. It isn't only about getting a 100% of some recommended daily dosage, but how frequent within a day it is and how spread out it gets. Practical sense like spreading out meals to 3-5 times a day rather than one all-you-can-eat feast applies to the details as well. I know 95% of us out there are lazy. Remember that too. Try some stuff out, or allow yourself not to. You have some difficulties focusing. I sometimes forget a lot. A colleague of mine recommended reading the book Getting Things Done. Read it, or not. He also gave good advice in buying a 10 dollar notebook that has a hard cover. Write all the things you need to do down on it and all the things you've learned. Don't get a spiral or some flimsy notebook that you can lose. It's value is what you put into it, which means you'd carry it with you at all times. That seems like enough rambling from me. If you need any assistance, feel free to contact my email through these forums.
Han Solo, Success as a human being is not determined by whether you fit into a rigid school system or at a 9-5 job. We're all different shapes in a world where most of the holes are square. There are many careers where success is not dependant on your ability to work like a good obedient slave. The real shame is that most schools and most employers have goals that discourage catering to the huge percentage of "irregular" people. Don't downplay your issues, but don't overplay them either. Architect Frank Lloyd Wright (1867-1959) Artists August Rodin (1840-1917) Salvador Dali (1904-1989) Pablo Picasso (1882-1973) Vincent Van Gogh (1853-1890) Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519) Salvador Dali (1904-1989) Athletes Terry Bradshaw (1948-Present) Quarterback Babe Ruth (1895-1948) Baseball Bruce Jenner (1949-Present) Track and Field Carl Lewis (1961-Present) Olympic Gold Medalist in Track and Field Greg Louganis (1960-Present) Olympic Gold Medal Diver Magic Johnson (1959-Present) Basketball Michael Jordan (1963-Present) Basketball Nolan Ryan (1947-Present) Baseball Jason Kidd (1973-Present) Basketball Michael Phelps Olympic Gold Medal Swimmer Pete Rose (1941-Present) Baseball Alberto Tomba (1966-Present) Alpine Skier Authors Agatha Christie (1890-1976) Charlotte and Emily Bronte Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849) Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961) F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896-1940) George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Hans Christian Anderson (1805-1875) Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) Jules Verne (1828-1905) Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) Samuel Clemens Emily Dickenson Ralph Waldo Emerson Virginia Woolf William Butler Yeats (1865-1939) Composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756-1791) Beethoven (1770-1827) Georg Frederic Handel (1685-1759) Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders Andrew Carnegie (1835-1919) Malcolm Forbes (1919-1990) Publisher Henry Ford (1863-1947) Automobile Manufacturer John D. Rockefeller (1839-1037) F.W. Woolworth (1852-1919) Department Store Owner Milton Hershey (1857-1945) Chocolate William Randolf Hearst (1863-1951) Newspaper Magnate William Wrigley, Jr. (1933-1999) Chewing Gum Explorers Christopher Columbus Lewis and Clark Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821-1890) Entertainers Ann Bancroft (1931-Present) Actress Cher (1946-Present) Actress, Singer Danny Glover (1947-Present) Actor Dustin Hoffman (1937-Present) Actor Jim Carrey (1962-Present) Actor, Comedian Steve McQueen (1920-1980) Actor Suzanne Somers (1946-Present) Actress Stevie Wonder (1950-Present) Singer, Musician Tom Smothers (1937-Present) Actor, Singer Tracy Gold (1969-Present) Actress John Denver (1043-1997) Singer, Muscian Bill Cosby (1937-Present) Actor George Burns (1896-1996) Actor George C. Scott (1927-Present) Actor Harry Belafonte (1927-Present) Actor, Singer Henry Winkler (1945-Present) Actor, Producer John Lennon (1940-1980) Singer, Musician Kirk Douglas (1916-Present) Actor Lindsay Wagoner (1949-Present) Actress Mariel Hemingway (1961-Present) Actress Ozzy Osbourne (1948-Present) Singer Sylvester Stallone (1946-Present) Actor Walt Disney (1901-1971) Producer, Screenwriter, Director, Animator Whoopi Goldberg (1955-Present) Actress, Comedienne Will Smith (1968-Present) Actor, Rapper Jack Nicholson Ty Pennington Elvis Presley Evil and Robbie Knievel Justin Timberlake Robin Williams (1952-Present) Actor, Comedian Inventors Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922) Thomas Edison (1847-1931) Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) Politican and Elder Statesman Photographer Ansel Adams (1902-1984) Physicist Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Political Figures James Carville John F. Kennedy (1917-1963) U.S. President Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969) U.S. President, General Eleanor Roosevelt (1844-1962) First Lady Muhammad Anwar el-Sadat (1918-1981) Egyptian President Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1873) Emperor Nelson Rockefeller (1908-1979) U.S. Vice President Prince Charles (1948-Present) Prince of Wales Robert F. Kennedy (1925-1968) U.S. Attorney General Winston Churchill (1874-1065) British Prime Minister Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) U.S. President Science Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727) Galileo (1564-1642) Astronomer, Mathematician Harvey Cushing M.D. (1869-1939) Neurosurgeon Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) Nostradamus (1503-1566) Physician Werner von Braun (1912-1977) Rocket Scientist Military Figures Gen. William C. Westmoreland (1914-Present) Vietnam era General General George Patton (1885-1945) World War II General Eddie Rickenbacker (1890-1973) World War I Ace These people have something in common. They all had/have ADD, and I'm pretty sure most of them did not have access to medication like we do.
When I was in medical school, a great number of my classmates were on some sort of stimulant. Namely things like Adderall and Strattera. These classmates claimed they needed the amphetamines to concentrate, but often I found these people were able to sit blankly and watch a movie or play video games for 2-3 hours at a time. What I realized was that the reason for that lack of attentiveness was not due to some inherent problem with their brain, but rather reading a medical textbook is just damn boring. If there was some sort of excitement or challenge to the activity the student was easily able to concentrate at the subject at hand.
