RichRocket, For the last time, since you can't seem to get this through your head, Jeff is not picking chickens over babies. He does not believe that the fetus being aborted is a baby. You seem like a smart guy, it seems like you'd understand the fundamental difference between pro-lifers and pro-choicers. Maybe not. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
You know what? Nevermind. I don't care what you think and you should believe whatever you like. You are not worth this argument. ------------------ "I swallowed a lot of agression...along with a lot of pizzas."
Jeff wrote: "As for adoption being an alternative to abortion, I think it could be in some cases." That comment indicates that Jeff thinks abortions are at times a choice better than adoption-- just like you Rocketman95. The important fact is that Pro-Abotion forces hide behind the Pro-Choice banners. Otherwise, you and I could call me a Pro-Choicer since I think abotion when medically necessary for the health of the mother should be the mother's choice! Sorry if I've irritated you Jeff and Rocketman95, but Death is a steep price for an unborn child to pay for the mere belief or opinion that fetuses aren't human. You can't and never will prove that opinion to be accurate and common sense (I'm no fundamentalist Christian-- not even a churchgoer) dictates that we err on the side of caution in making such a permanent and catastrophic judgement that carries a death sentence with it. Ironically, you guys need to lighten up. You can't handle someone disagreeing with you and I would suggest there's a good reason for it... your conscience bothers you. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
That's where you're wrong RichRocket, my conscience doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that most people like you care more about an unborn fetus than you do a baby born into poverty. What bothers me is the self-righteous attitude that most people like you have. What bothers me is that we can't have a difference of opinion and not be called murderers by most people like you (I'm not saying you did). You're right RichRocket, if my girlfriend happened to get pregnant, adoption would be a legitimate option for us. But that would be our choice to make, and if we aborted the fetus, we would still have clear consciences because we would feel that we made the right choice. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
The bottom line for me. I don't think you can deduct that from anything he's said. ------------------ "There's a lot of things you can say about playing with Dream, but I get to say, `I played with the Dream.' That speaks for itself." --Walt Williams "****!" --Kenny Thomas
Thanks for the support, Freak. JuanValdez: I was wondering if we would ever hear from you again! Sorry that I contributed to your thread going offline. There's no need for the thread to die. Those who want to dialogue can, those who don't don't. Very simple really. It's about CHOICE! Rocketman95: How do you know what I care about? I think MY opinion is a humble one that respects human life; yours is the SELF-righteous one which proclaims to serve YOUR temporary needs and wants over the sacredness of a human life forever. By the way, regarding your hypothetical about your girlfriend getting pregnant, was the vote 2-1 or 3-0? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited March 21, 2001).]
Freak, the key word in my post was most. Most pro-lifers are pretty damn conservative (hint...most), against welfare and the like. Not having things like welfare hurts poor kids just as much as it hurts the poor adult, no matter how lazy they are. But you're right, I'm a self-righteous jackass because I feel that a woman should have a right to choose whether or not the lifeless glob in her stomach should stay there or not. Again RichRocket, you're still not getting it. A month old fetus is not a human life, in my opinion. That's fine that you disagree with that, I've never once tried to change your mind about that. I'll stick to caring more about the lives that we know are lives, like poor kids. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet. [This message has been edited by Rocketman95 (edited March 21, 2001).]
RM95: I'm not getting it on purpose; get it now! You were right the first time; I'm not stupid. Don't you get it? My objection is that your casual opinion is contributing to the death of an innocent child. I never said you were a j'ass. My concern is the complete ignoring of the rights of the child. Why is the woman's right exclusive and paramount? If you murdered a pregnant woman, you'd be charged with double homicide. How do you reconcile that discrpency? Oh, and also, abortion USED TO BE illegal so don't even try to make an argument about the sanctity of the abortion right. A lifeless glob, huh? I just saw my 2 month-old fetus's heart beating last week on the ultrasound-- or was it mere illusion? Has the meat on your plate ever evidenced a heartbeat? Now there's a lifeless blob! My child will be first prepared to enter this "outer" world about October 9th of 2001. S/he is loved now, though admittedly not as much as when we can touch him/her, kiss him/her, hear him/her cry or laugh and feel his/her warm and beating heart against our bodies. That changes things. Just like when you first can start to talk with your child. That's another leap forward, BUT THE LOVE FOR THE CHILD HAS BEEN THERE SINCE CONCEPTION; IT ONLY GETS BETTER AND FULLER. S/he is real now; s/he is alive now but will emerge still as a NOT fully functional human being until next fall. As long as nature doesn't fail us and we don't invite abortion, s/he will still enter this "outer" world as a living human being. No other outcome is possible--save entering as a dead baby via natural tragedy or ugly human intervention. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited March 21, 2001).]
Thanks for the input. Can we let this poor thread die now? ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
