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Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. OddsOn

    OddsOn Contributing Member

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    One step closer to the edge of socialism.

    Two things to point out:
    1. Its not "government money" its my/our (taxpayer) money
    2. The very notion of the government passing laws limiting compensation is completely unconstitutional.

    Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay

    Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay


    By STEPHEN LABATON
    Published: March 21, 2009

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

    The outlines of the plan are expected to be unveiled this week in preparation for President Obama’s first foreign summit meeting in early April.

    Officials said the proposal would seek a broad new role for the Federal Reserve to oversee large companies, including major hedge funds, whose problems could pose risks to the entire financial system.

    It will propose that many kinds of derivatives and other exotic financial instruments that contributed to the crisis be traded on exchanges or through clearinghouses so they are more transparent and can be more tightly regulated. And to protect consumers, it will call for federal standards for mortgage lenders beyond what the Federal Reserve adopted last year, as well as more aggressive enforcement of the mortgage rules.

    The administration has been considering increased oversight of executive pay for some time, but the issue was heightened in recent days as public fury over bonuses spilled into the regulatory effort.

    The officials said that the administration was still debating the details of its plan, including how broadly it should be applied and how far it could go beyond simple reporting requirements. Depending on the outcome of the discussions, the administration could seek to put the changes into effect through regulations rather than through legislation.

    One proposal could impose greater requirements on company boards to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to ensure that compensation was aligned with the financial interest of the company.

    The new rules will cover all financial institutions, including those not now covered by any pay rules because they are not receiving federal bailout money. Officials say the rules could also be applied more broadly to publicly traded companies, which already report about some executive pay practices to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    During the presidential campaign, Mr. Obama repeatedly urged regulators to adopt new rules to give shareholders a greater voice in setting executive pay for all public companies. And last month, as part of the stimulus package, Congress barred top executives at large banks getting rescue money from receiving bonuses that exceeded one-third of their annual pay.

    The regulatory plan is being put together ahead of the meeting of the Group of 20 industrialized and developing nations in London. The meeting, which begins April 2, is expected to be dominated by the global financial crisis and discussions about better oversight of large financial companies, whose problems could threaten to undermine international markets.

    An important part of the plan still under debate is how to regulate the shadow banking system that Wall Street firms use to package and trade mortgage-backed securities, the so-called toxic assets held by many banks and blamed for the credit crisis.

    Officials said the plan would also call for increasing the levels of capital that financial institutions need to hold to absorb possible losses. In a sign of the economic system’s fragility, officials said the administration would emphasize that those heightened standards should not be imposed now because they could discourage more lending. Rather, they would be put in place after the economy began to rebound.

    “The argument some are making is that they don’t want to be stepping on the gas pedal and the brake at the same time,” said Morris Goldstein, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics and a former top official at the International Monetary Fund.

    Administration officials are also debating how tightly to supervise hedge funds.

    A broad consensus has emerged among regulators and administration officials that hedge funds must be registered and more closely monitored, probably by the Securities and Exchange Commission. But officials have not decided how much the funds will have to disclose about their investments and trading practices. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the regulatory plan was still being formulated and they did not want to upstage Mr. Obama or Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who will describe the plan when he appears before Congress on Thursday.

    A central aspect of the plan, which has already been announced by the administration, would give the government greater authority to take over and resolve problems at large troubled companies not now regulated by Washington, like insurance companies and hedge funds.

    That proposal would, for instance, make it easier for the government to cancel bonus contracts like those given to executives at the American International Group, which have stoked a political furor. Under the proposal, the Treasury secretary would have the authority to seize and wind down a struggling institution after consulting with the president and upon the recommendation of two-thirds of the Federal Reserve board.

    Long before he became Treasury secretary, Mr. Geithner sought broader authority for the government to resolve problems at financial institutions not under bank regulators’ supervision.

    The government now has the power to take over only the banking unit that controls federally insured deposits of large troubled institutions, not the parent company — a limit that could pose problems if large financial conglomerates like Citigroup or Bank of America continued to spiral downward.

    In unveiling the regulatory plan, Mr. Obama would signal to Europe that he intended to crack down on the risk-taking and other free-wheeling practices by the financial industry that resulted in the global economic meltdown.

    France and Germany especially have suggested that the better response is not more government spending but tighter regulation.

    The Obama administration has urged European nations to do more to restart their economies through financial stimulus. Mr. Obama is hoping that by showing a serious commitment to tighter regulation he can more easily persuade other countries to increase government spending and stimulate demand by consumers and businesses that would help pull the global economy out of a serious decline.

    But the administration’s efforts, especially on tighter regulation of hedge funds, are not expected to assuage some European countries. Moreover, the hedge fund industry has significant influence on Capitol Hill and has shown that it can defeat proposals it finds onerous.

    While a growing number of hedge fund advisers have voluntarily agreed to register with the S.E.C., many of the most prominent ones are expected to oppose efforts to require them to provide what they consider proprietary information about their holdings and trading practices, even on a confidential basis.

    From the outset of the Obama administration, officials and European leaders have disagreed over how much to limit pay. And Mr. Geithner has discouraged the administration from imposing across-the-board limits on compensation of all employees at troubled companies receiving federal assistance and more burdensome pay restrictions at healthy institutions that the administration is trying to encourage to take government money so they can increase lending.

    Last week, Ben S. Bernanke, the Fed chairman, also called on regulators to supervise executive pay at banks more closely to avoid “compensation practices that can create mismatches between the rewards and risks borne by institutions or their managers.” Much of the plan would require the approval of Congress, where divisions are forming over how best to overhaul financial industry oversight.

    Representative Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who heads the Financial Services Committee, said he believed giving the government new authority to take over troubled companies could be adopted by the House relatively quickly, particularly after the furor over the A.I.G. bonuses.

    “This would give the government the same powers that you would get as if the company were in bankruptcy,” Mr. Frank said in an interview shortly after meeting with Mr. Geithner on the plan.

    But Mr. Frank and other lawmakers said other elements of the plan could take more time, like expanding the authority of the Federal Reserve to become a systemic regulator.

    In a hearing Thursday, Senator Christopher J. Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat who is chairman of the banking committee, expressed skepticism about that proposal. “Whether or not those vast powers will reside at the Fed remains an open question,” said Mr. Dodd, pointing out that the Federal Reserve had failed to apply tough oversight of the companies it now regulates.
     
  2. uolj

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    Could you please point out where the article you posted references this?
     
  3. OddsOn

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    What do you think the purpose of the oversight will be?
     
  4. uolj

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    You know, you could just say, "I made an assumption that wasn't directly stated in the article."

    As far as the purpose, I don't know exactly what they're thinking. It could be intended to make public the names of companies or executives that have disproportionate compensation as a disincentive to that practice. It could be intended to use other laws to put pressure on those companies or individuals. It might be intended to bring to light financial decisions that are dangerous for a company whose downfall would cause major problems for the U.S. and/or global economies, so that adjustments could be made before that happens.

    Whatever the intention, the question of whether compensation oversight is constitutional is a much different question than whether limiting compensation is constitutional.
     
  5. OddsOn

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    Let me be the first to say your an idiot. What exactly is the difference? Congress should have no authority to levee any sort of judgment on any companies pay to its executives, nor should it have the ability to bail out failing companies when they make bad decisions.
     
  6. uolj

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    You're saying I'm an idiot because I think there is a difference between oversight and limiting compensation? Do you realize that the article states that they are still debating whether to go farther than reporting requirements? In other words, one possible oversight is simply requiring that compensation be reported, without any actual limits. Do you see the difference?

    Or do you think I'm an idiot because I am asking you to acknowledge that you are making assumptions?

    Or perhaps I'm an idiot because you assumed I disagreed with your opinion that Government (you said Congress, but this article isn't about Congress) should have no authority to maintain oversight of executive pay, even though they've been doing that for a long time already as reported in the article you posted?

    Or maybe all of the above?
     
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    I'm not sure what they are specifically thinking of, but what comes to mind is that publicly-traded companies have to report executive pay to shareholders, but Boards of Directors often craft incentive bonuses with easily attainable metrics so they can report that compensation as performance-based even though the executive knows it is more-or-less guaranteed. I know the NBA polices this behavior in player contracts; I don't see why the Feds can't do the same on behalf of shareholders and taxpayers.

    And, OddsOn, you're an idiot for calling someone an idiot for responding to your thread. How's that for hospitality?
     
  8. OddsOn

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    Congress is the government, actually we the people are the government but over the past 40 plust years we have been conditioned to forget that minor detail.

    To add to the argument, this is being influenced by France and Germany, are you kidding me? Who the heck cars what these two nancy boy countries think about how things are run in the USA.

    Perhaps idiot was too harsh a word (might have been the beers talking after the Rockets win) to use but nieve is not. This is a slippery slope that we are on by allowing even the discussion of this type of thing to bubble up. Of course those of us in the know saw this coming during the election campaign but the media dismissed it as right wing consipiracy. Well now its a reality and coming right at you.

    Anyone without political blinders on (and yes I would be writing this same thing if it were Bush or McCain) should see and realize that this administration is extremely marxist / socialist in its mentality. All you have to do is look at the first 60 days and items they are attempting to push through.
     
  9. Major

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    Except for the fact that it's not.
     
  10. CrazyDave

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    First, name calling isn't really productive.

    Second, these restrictions and additional government intervention would be necessary if the addict that is the american economy hadn't been left alone to circle the drain by deregulation, which blame can be applied all around.

    I'm cautious of some of the intervention, but obviously the economy and "companies that got too large to let them fail" need some extreme oversight if we are to sober up and survive the hangover.

    An "increase in oversight" approach seems prudent, considering the AIG debacle, and events leading up to it among similar situations.
     
  11. uolj

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    First, if Congress is not the one doing the oversight, then it's not correct to say Congress is the one doing the oversight. Not a big deal, I just want to make sure we're basing the discussion on what is really happening. Secondly, if we the people are the government, then you should have no problem with this, right? We the people are doing the oversight.

    Obama campaigned on this type of change. Everybody "saw this coming" because this is what he said he would do. The problem is that you are afraid he is going to take it further. But that hasn't happened yet. It's not reality. So far, all we've got is a report that Obama will do exactly what he promised to do before he got voted into office by we the people.

    Do you see how you're worried about a slippery slope and then immediately assuming that your worries are reality? Wait until he does something you're afraid of before getting upset about it.

    The idea that the administration is extremely marxist/socialistic is laughable. Maybe compared to your political ideals, but not compared to the majority of the country and the rest of the world. I understand you don't like the idea of many of his proposals, but they are exactly what he campaigned on and the people voted on, so if you don't like it you have to take it up with we the people when the next election comes around.
     
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    Have you tried this comedy routine out in a club yet?

    I bet it will kill.

    Kudos, comrade.
     
  13. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Yes, he's the idiot. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Rocket River

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    MY GOD!! Rich folx are affected. . .someone call the pope!!
    Someone shoot some one. . . .

    RICH FOLX ARE AFFECTED!!

    Rocket River
     
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    Class War! Class War!

     
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    First of all I keep hearing 1 step closer to socialism and I ask what is so bad about socialism. Ou country is not design to run off of one form of government only. It is design to be versitle whenever we see fit. Once we are back to being prosperious we go back to the full free market.

    As it comes to it being our money that is true. We can not continue to give businesses bail out money and they squader it making the same bad decisions which got us in the mess. That basically bad business.

    We have to limit compensation is they want to recieve bailout money. If they can affored to give raises to excectives after recieving a bail out then they really don't need a bail out.


    To sovle this problem if a company receives a bail the people own it until it is paid back. We can't let these the company totally fail this cause more job lose at a time when unemploment is at a high percentage. Without doing anything it only add to the unemployment in the courty also making it harder for those who are looking to find jobs.
     
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    why do you like being isolated from the world? does the world scare you? do you have a passport?
     
  19. pgabriel

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    No Caps on Pay


    WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the Obama administration doesn’t want to place caps on executives’ pay — even though it believes excessive compensation led to risk-taking that contributed to the financial crisis.

    Geithner said the administration will seek legislation that will permit shareholders to vote on executive pay packages, but the results would not be binding on boards of directors. The administration will still restrict compensation at companies that are receiving taxpayer assistance through its $700 billion financial bailout program.

    Geithner said the shareholder measures, as well as legislation to keep corporate compensation committees independent from boards of directors, will reinforce pay guidelines that the administration released today. Those principles encourage corporate boards to adopt pay packages that reward long-term performance rather than short-term gains.
     
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    You have a lot to learn about common courtesy, hospitality, and any form of Texas or Southern graciousness.

    Nobody called you anything or attacked you. I hope somewhere in the future you learn to carry on a civil discussion.
     

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