Season Tm Lg W L Win% W L Win% +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 1988-89 POR NBA 14 21 .400 0 3 .000 1989-90 POR NBA 59 23 .720 12 9 .571 1990-91 POR NBA 63 19 .768 9 7 .563 1991-92 POR NBA 57 25 .695 13 8 .619 1992-93 POR NBA 51 31 .622 1 3 .250 1993-94 POR NBA 47 35 .573 1 3 .250 1995-96 GSW NBA 36 46 .439 1996-97 GSW NBA 30 52 .366 1998-99 SAC NBA 27 23 .540 2 3 .400 1999-00 SAC NBA 44 38 .537 2 3 .400 2000-01 SAC NBA 55 27 .671 3 5 .375 2001-02 SAC NBA 61 21 .744 10 6 .625 2002-03 SAC NBA 59 23 .720 7 5 .583 2003-04 SAC NBA 55 27 .671 7 5 .583 2004-05 SAC NBA 50 32 .610 1 4 .200 2005-06 SAC NBA 44 38 .537 2 4 .333 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 16 Seasons 752 481 .610 70 68 .507 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ Thoughts... 14 complete seasons Year over Year better record: 3 (complete seasons only) Year over Year worse record: 8 11 total 'change' seasons. (plus 3 seasons starting with new teams) In general he did not seem to have a positive effect on any of his teams. From the Kings to the Warriors and the Blazers many more years in decline than years moving improving... I don't see the logic in this move. Someone please help put this in perspective. I'm open to any constructive thoughts or flames
You are basing this on the single stat of "year over year" better record? How about comparing this stat with other coaches? It is hard to improve once you get the team into the high 50's in the win column, which he did very quickly. After that, there were declines, but the last years in Portland and Sacramento were still winning seasons. Also, teams are expected to have normal periods of decline.
Got a better coach in mind for a team who had 4 people score in an entire playoff game? I take that back. I think that would nominate every coach out there and even the people in here.
Yes. Larry Brown Reg Season Playoffs Season Tm Lg W L Win% W L Win% +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 1972-73 CAR ABA 57 27 .679 7 5 .583 1973-74 CAR ABA 47 37 .560 0 4 .000 1974-75 DNA ABA 65 19 .774 7 6 .538 1975-76 DNA ABA 60 24 .714 6 7 .462 1976-77 DEN NBA 50 32 .610 2 4 .333 1977-78 DEN NBA 48 34 .585 6 7 .462 1978-79 DEN NBA 28 25 .528 1981-82 NJN NBA 44 38 .537 0 2 .000 1982-83 NJN NBA 47 29 .618 1988-89 SAS NBA 21 61 .256 1989-90 SAS NBA 56 26 .683 6 4 .600 1990-91 SAS NBA 55 27 .671 1 3 .250 1991-92 SAS NBA 21 17 .553 LAC NBA 23 12 .657 2 3 .400 1992-93 LAC NBA 41 41 .500 2 3 .400 1993-94 IND NBA 47 35 .573 10 6 .625 1994-95 IND NBA 52 30 .634 10 7 .588 1995-96 IND NBA 52 30 .634 2 3 .400 1996-97 IND NBA 39 43 .476 1997-98 PHI NBA 31 51 .378 1998-99 PHI NBA 28 22 .560 3 5 .375 1999-00 PHI NBA 49 33 .598 5 5 .500 2000-01 PHI NBA 56 26 .683 12 11 .522 2001-02 PHI NBA 43 39 .524 2 3 .400 2002-03 PHI NBA 48 34 .585 6 6 .500 2003-04 DET NBA 54 28 .659 16 7 .696 2004-05 DET NBA 54 28 .659 15 10 .600 2005-06 NYK NBA 23 59 .280 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 4 Seasons ABA 229 107 .682 20 22 .476 23 Seasons NBA 1010 800 .558 100 89 .529 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 27 Seasons 1239 907 .577 120 111 .519 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ JVG Reg Season Playoffs Season Tm Lg W L Win% W L Win% +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 1995-96 NYK NBA 13 10 .565 4 4 .500 1996-97 NYK NBA 57 25 .695 6 4 .600 1997-98 NYK NBA 43 39 .524 4 6 .400 1998-99 NYK NBA 27 23 .540 12 8 .600 1999-00 NYK NBA 50 32 .610 9 7 .563 2000-01 NYK NBA 48 34 .585 2 3 .400 2001-02 NYK NBA 10 9 .526 2003-04 HOU NBA 45 37 .549 1 4 .200 2004-05 HOU NBA 51 31 .622 3 4 .429 2005-06 HOU NBA 34 48 .415 2006-07 HOU NBA 52 30 .634 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 11 Seasons 430 318 .575 41 40 .506 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ Del Harris Reg Season Playoffs Season Tm Lg W L Win% W L Win% +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 1979-80 HOU NBA 41 41 .500 2 5 .286 1980-81 HOU NBA 40 42 .488 12 9 .571 1981-82 HOU NBA 46 36 .561 1 2 .333 1982-83 HOU NBA 14 68 .171 1987-88 MIL NBA 42 40 .512 2 3 .400 1988-89 MIL NBA 49 33 .598 3 6 .333 1989-90 MIL NBA 44 38 .537 1 3 .250 1990-91 MIL NBA 48 34 .585 0 3 .000 1991-92 MIL NBA 8 9 .471 1994-95 LAL NBA 48 34 .585 5 5 .500 1995-96 LAL NBA 53 29 .646 1 3 .250 1996-97 LAL NBA 56 26 .683 4 5 .444 1997-98 LAL NBA 61 21 .744 7 6 .538 1998-99 LAL NBA 6 6 .500
Yes. But Adelman's declines are very consistent. He has a very good 1st year and then it's consistently down after that.
but his playoff performance w/ the kings improve yr by yr. who cares abut the reg. season. the kings got better in the playoffs and eventually was one play from the finals.
Look at Larry Brown for example. His first 6 years coaching he was about like Adelman with yearly declines in wins. But as time went along his record became very positive year over year. It seems that is what you want - a coach with a recent history of success. Adelman doesn't have that. Del Harris has 1 decline and 7 increases. Wow! +87.5% JVG has 4 declines and 3 increases. +42.8% Adelman is 8 declines and 3 increases. +27.2% Injuries plagued JVG more than any coach I've seen. I think he did an amazing job considering the circumstances. That said - shouldn't Morey -a mathmetical wiz- use some logic in the methods of choosing a new coach?? How about statistical improvement each year the team is exposed to the coach for starters?
From everything I've read, you really can't blame this one on Morey. It looks like he wanted JVG, but differences between JVG & Les caused them to look around.
I don't really know why you think your "method" is a particularly good indicator -- it takes no account of the maturity of the team, etc. Does it mean something? Maybe, but it's one of many pieces by which to judge a coach. For example, Morey may be more inclined to do an event study -- what happened when he came, what happened when he left. Sacramento Before Adelman's arrival, Sacramento went 27-55 and hadn't posted a winning record in their existence in Sacramento (1985). The next year (lockout), they went 27-23-- roughly a 44 win pace. They won exactly 44 the season after, and then became a 50+ win team. Is going from a 27 win team to a 40+ win team to a 50+ win team to a 60+ win team in a 4 year span not improvement for you? The team has been in decline, winning only 44 games in Adelman's last year. But they declined even further this year, winning just 32 games. Adelman remains the only coach to lead the team in Sacramento to a winning record. So, he improved the team when he came, and the team declined when he left. Golden State Before Adelman, Golden State had won just 26 games -- he bumped that up 10 games to 36 wins, before declining to 30 wins the following year. He left, and Golden State proceeded with one of the worst seasons in NBA history -- 19 wins. Again, improvement upon arrival, decline upon leave. Portland Adelman took over midseason and the Blazers finished with just 39 wins. In his first full season as a head coach, he led the team to 59 wins. He followed that up with 63 and 57 win performances before declining to 51 and 47 wins. He left after a 47 win season, and the team proceeded to win 44 games the next 2 seasons. Once again, improvement upon arrival, decline upon leave. So, Adelman "won" each of the 6 events -- he did better than his predecessor and his successor at all of his stops. In 5 of the 6 times, there was a 10 game difference or more -- including a 20 game swing upon arrival in Portland and a 17 game swing upon arrival in Sacramental. 10 game swings are pretty major accomplishments.
Larry Brown has never coached an NBA team to more than 56 wins. Adelman has FIVE seasons of 56+ wins. And some of those were with Sacramento, which has been an awful franchise pre- and post- Adelman.
Wow! What an incredible spin. So your argument is this: Portland got to 63 wins in 90-91 then when exposed to his coaching in 91-92 57 wins, 92-93 51 wins, 93-94 47 wins... is somehow good? Sacremento went to 61 wins then over the next 4 seasons under Adelman declined consistently each year under his direction - all the way down to 44 wins.. (59,55,50,44) is also somehow good. Wow. Maybe I'm blind to the forest due to the trees or perhaps it's your emotion related to our loss to utah?
I think the acid test is that your team is getting BETTER each season. On average this does not happen under adelman.
Here's another one: Rudy T. Reg Season Playoffs Season Tm Lg W L Win% W L Win% +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 1991-92 HOU NBA 16 14 .533 1992-93 HOU NBA 55 27 .671 6 6 .500 1993-94 HOU NBA 58 24 .707 15 8 .652 1994-95 HOU NBA 47 35 .573 15 7 .682 1995-96 HOU NBA 48 34 .585 3 5 .375 1996-97 HOU NBA 57 25 .695 9 7 .563 1997-98 HOU NBA 41 41 .500 2 3 .400 1998-99 HOU NBA 31 19 .620 1 3 .250 1999-00 HOU NBA 34 48 .415 2000-01 HOU NBA 45 37 .549 2001-02 HOU NBA 28 54 .341 2002-03 HOU NBA 43 39 .524 2004-05 LAL NBA 24 19 .558 +-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+ 13 Seasons 527 416 .559 51 39 .567 6 improvements and 4 declines. (by full seasons of exposure)
