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Adelman please wake up...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by T_Man, Nov 17, 2009.

  1. pdewalt

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    Funny thing is is that I agree with you, but what's most telling about this is that may be this is Adelman's offense. No one can blame either Yao or Tracy for this. I'm glad that you have pointed this out, because it should call into question some of the banter that goes on on here.

    The shot that Battier took at the top of the key was pretty open, outside of re-setting I thought it was a good shot. The problem I had with it was that the player that should've had the shot (because he was relatively hot) was Bundinger who I think was replaced by Battier. Again, coach knows his players best but I would've loved to see Chase have the same opportunity on that play. And yes, I know that Battier hit a crucial lay-up during that stretch.

    We haven't completely figured out how to close a team yet but I think that we are closer than we were before. Consistency is a bigger issue for us than our overall lack of height.
     
  2. pbthunder

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    Getting a team to have that much discipline, for 48 minutes, is very, very difficult. Look at the 22-game winning streak: the team, and the rest of the NBA, saw what can be done. If it were easy, we would have seen a lot of teams copy that success since then.

    Simple in concept, though.
     
  3. T_Man

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    PD, this is exactly what i'm hinting at... I'm not saying fire Adleman, I think he's done one helluva job with the team that he has. I'm saying adjust, I know this is not a rookie team and they are far from being a veteran team, their a young team. With a rookie team you have to constantly hold their hands and call a lot of plays when times get hard, with a veteran team you can let them work it out on their own, with a young team you just have to guide them.

    In most sports theirs a saying "Keep Doing What Got You Here", so my thing is this if you build a lead by passing the ball and playing as a team and you lose a lead by playing 1 on 1, then what should you do????

    Even the other announcers for the Suns, Mavs and Lakers were overwhelmed at how the Rockets were picking the defense a part and playing as a team...

    Go back and look at the games that were lost when the Rockets had a nice lead and look at how they stopped themselves and not how the other team stopped them. You have to go back to playing the style of offense that got you the lead...
     
  4. Freik

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    I had the same thought, i was at the game, i looked up at the scoreboard and realized all the players he had in had scored more than 10 points with the exception of one, and that was hayes, Amare was their go to guy and have no problem with having the best defensive player available on him.
     
  5. T_Man

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    The trouble with most teams not being able to do that is because of SUPERSTARS.....

    That's why I don't like them, most are glory hounds and care more about their stats then playing team ball (ie.. Iverson).

    That team that won those 22 games straight played as a team, as one unit. The only so called Superstar that we actually had ont he floor was McGrady and as tinman and dd like to point out, he was actually hurt and it was the other guys who stepped up their game.

    It is the Coach who has to instill and keep the players on track, like an office in the military. I was not a big JVG fan, but I give the man credit for putting a lot of discipline on playing defense and playing team defense.

    So it can be done and the Rockets have already proven that it can be done.
     
  6. 1individual

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    What do you mean he was hurt and the other guys stepped up their game?! Who was the leading scorer during that streak? Who led in assists during that streak?
     
  7. T_Man

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    If i'm not mistaken T-Mac came back from injuries in either late Dec or early Jan and he was basically still playing hurt. The other players stepped up big time in that streak.... No 1 on 1 play, but as a team.

    Man you YOF and TOF get so sensitive......



     
  8. stab

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    Adelman knows what he is doing. There will be games like this during the season, but they will learn and figure it out....
     
  9. 1individual

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    Do you agree he can play team ball? Looks you do. Those entries you quoted don't deny that he was overall the leading scorer during the streak. Yes, he was playing injured... now shouldn't that be even more of an encouragement?
     
  10. T_Man

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    T-Mac is not my point.... If you want to get into a T-Mac and Yao debate on who fits then you are in the wrong discussion and debating with the wrong individual.... Not going down that road with you..

    My point is this.. When this Rocket team has played like a TEAM they can play with and beat any team in the league... Team work is their strength on offense and defense and the thing that makes them so strong as a unit is because they don't have a Superstar and they are all free to play their game.

    This thread is about how Aldeman needs to also learn from his mistakes as the team learns about theirs... In the 3 losses that I mentioned, they basically lose the same exact way, by the team moving away from their strength. It was one thing when you lose 3 games 3 different ways; but it's another when you lose them almost identical to one another.

    So has is had been pointed out in the Morey Twitter Thread
    The definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results...
     
  11. archinkent

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    wow, i cant believe u put the blame on adelman. u think adelman wants them to play 1v1 offense? im pretty sure he emphasize teamwork before each game, but the players are the one who decided to play 1v1. its the players fault. calling a timeout works, yes, but its still up to the players to decide whether they want to play smart or not.
     
  12. T_Man

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    The blame if there is one goes to everyone... Aldeman and the team...

    My point is that Aldeman has to learn how to adjust and if the players he has on the floor are not playing executing his game plan then get them out of the game.... But in 3 different games, the same thing has happend; so that is Aldeman's fault if the same players are not executing the right game plan and he continues to put them in the game...
     
  13. That Boi Oz

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    The Rockets are avgeraging 100 pts a game. The focus needs to be more on the D and work on team defense to slow the other teams down.
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    All I got from this post was TEAM.

    The suns pick and rolled s to death and they hit shots or got lucky boards. We defened well till the J-Rich layup.

    RA is still teaching and this team is young so give it time. We aren't expecting a championship this season;just our kids growing.

    We have to let these guys learn.
     
  15. redao

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    Adelman does not dictate players. He values the creativity of his players and believes the talent in them. Adelman is too experienced and too good to learn anything from you.

    what you are saying is JVG's dumb offense and we have to have 5 Rafers to stick to that dumb plan.
     
  16. mattrbowers

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    WORD UP! D is definitely the key in an offense like ours. At the beginning of the game when we were raining down the 3's, most of them (maybe all) came in transition after a missed PHX shot. When we weren't shooting 3's, we were getting high percentage shots (i.e. Landry uncontested layup), also in transition. We don't need people looking for answers on the offensive end; when times are tough, we need answers on the defensive end and the offense will be there.
     
  17. MadMax

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    I don't think that's the problem. They have been playing together for a while, for the most part. They learned to trust one another long before.

    The problem is...the style of play they need to play to win is very difficult to sustain over long periods of time....even within the context of a game. It requires lots and lots of focus, which is extremely difficult to sustain in an 82 game season, or even from half to half. It is human nature, frankly.
     
  18. ibm

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    bingo. and i don't see a good solution there.
     
  19. redao

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    the real problem is they don't have other choices. That's the only way to win. They have to hustle like hell to cover the holes in the roster. Blame Morey.
     
  20. spaceage808

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    theres a variable that cant be coached. its called performing under pressure. face it, we are a young team. without our stars in, this squad we have does not have a lot of experience closing out good teams. it will come, but dont blame the coach.
     

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