This is a tough call. I think I would have to side with Adelman simply because the guy has a history of making teams good, where as McGrady, as talented as he can be, always has issues with his health that make him unreliable over the course of a season. And then, there is T-Mac's conduct. T-Mac's behavior in the 3rd quarter tonight was embarrassing to the franchise, and it caused the rest of the team to fold. I never thought in my life I would hear Bill Worrell sharply, and justifiably criticize a Rocket's player's performance like he did McGrady tonight.
If Adelman can deal with BOTH Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest on the same team, and both coaches love him, whats that say about McGrady? The standards are so LOW for McGrady now...expectations arent that much. No offensive schemes about it, shot attempts, substitution patterns, rotations on defense JUST COMPETE AND LEAD.
I've been a lurker on this board now for some years. I've always counted on Clutchfans to provide humor and insight (especially the posters from the "Golden Age" a few years ago-a lot of you guys/girls know what I'm talking about) but at this point it's getting pretty ridiculous. I've always respected another mans opinion as long as they respect yours and you both walk away with more wisdom. But in this case a lot of you guys are flat out wrong. I've been against the T-Mac trade from the beginning and have always pretty much stated the reasons that are coming to light more and more now. Lack of heart, injury issues, character issues (quitting on the Magic and admitting it) lack of "TEAM" basketball IQ, etc etc. RA is not the issue people. He's arguably one of the top 3 offensive minded coaches to come around in the last two decades. The issue is that he inherited a guy who's basically been spoon fed the majority of his career and allowed to "enforce his will" on the game which has gotten him how far? T-Mac's game basically fits into the mid 90's to early 2000's when the league made a point of trying to find the next MJ while hyping up uber-athletic, do it all wing players (Jerry Stackhouse anyone). I'm not sure if alot of you have noticed but the leauge as a whole has actually developed into a "TEAM" game. In fact, if you take a good look, a lot of teams run versions of the Kings offense now (and no, this isn't the so called princteon offense that everyone talks about). Most NBA teams are employing motion offenses now which really benefits the college kids coming out. Is it any wonder that our "young" bench can actually run the motion offense but our Superstar-All World-All Star franchise player can't? RA NEVER stated that he planned on bringing the Kings offense to Houston, he simply said that he wanted to make the game easier for Yao and Tracy by employing more movement on and off ball. Tracy cannot and will not do this. In fact, you can see throughout his career this same lack of movement. He just doesn't have that part of the fundamentals in his arsenal. (and no kids, don't go pulling up 03-04 highlights to try and prove me wrong, a lot of us actually watched games before youtube came along). I've been saying for the last two years that we need to trade him. In fact when they hired RA, I told anyone who would listen that we needed to find a way to get Kirk Hinrich and Rip Hamilton in a 3 team trade. They would have both solved a lot of issues (ie movement, crisp shooting and high BB IQ) then, just as they would now. Sometimes it's not about what size gun you have but how accurate you are. Superstars are not the be all and end all of basketball. Like Yao said recently, "I'd rather have 7 guys score in double figures than two that score twenty." It puts more pressure on the D! And to everyone saying that we have no chance to....hell I'll say it, basically lose in the 1st round without T-Mac....remember, five fingers make a fist, we've been trying to pull a Three Stooges eye poke for the last 5 years! I'm out legend
When T-Mac let Moon dunk, Worrell kinda rose his voice at the lack of effort of t-Mac to stop the ball, then on the offensive end, when T-Mac was just standing 5 feet behind the 3 point line and passing the ball to Artest, he said "the Rockets are playing 4 on 5 right now"....something like that.
You sir, need to come out of lurking more often, that was one of the best first posts in the history of this BBS...... I am honored that you posted in this thread...thank you. 5 fingers make a fist, and we have been trying for an eye poke....that is AWESOME !! DD
Only 46,000 posts and change to go.. But you are right on with your take....right on......next time I am in town for a game, the first brew is on me. DD
gotta side with adelman tracy is only here for another year and a half....then, its open market for free agency and adelman can get his take on players that can and will run a motion offense.... good coaches are hard to find...bad ones apparently get fired every year we only have tmac for a short amount of time. half our team can run a motion type offense...its just tracy that doesn't..we can get a superstar in 2010 why buy into mcgrady's scheme? where has it gotten us the past 4 years? He alone shouldve taken anyone of the rockets team out of the 1st round at least. Then artest couldve been the missing piece that got us to the wcf and finals. we are still a virgin team when it comes to the playoffs. heck our championship team went to the 2nd round the year before we won. its too early to bail on adelman...however, we know what we got with mcgrady
At this point they both need to go, but if I had to choose you have to say T-mac right now. The guy has been pathetic as of late and most of the season. Even though Adelman's offense doesn't really fit the starting lineup cause of Yao and T-mac, he has adjusted it a little to try and fit the team.
Which Adelman offense? The Sacremento one - that was team oriented? The Portland one - that was centered around Drexler? of the Golden state one? Which one does Tracy McWhine a lot need to succeed? Or should the team just put the ball in his hands and let him impose his will, and basically will away the team's chances at playoff success. For the first time in Tmac's career he is going to get some come uppance from management......it's about time. Bench him, move on....and do not let him play until he proves he is going to play hard. Bench him...permanently if necessary. DD
<br> Actually, it hasn't worked that great in the past either, as evidenced by his tally of 0 championships, and recent firing from Sacramento <br> If Rick Adelman does not have the correct personnel for his "brand" of offense, it becomes useless. He isn't really known as a defensive coach, so that part will always be useless
Great first post, AWFUL second post Regarding OP : Who has a history of proven winning performance, RA or TMac? And which one has been labeled as a perennial loser? That gives a hint as to where the problem lies. I think a lot of people here are misplacing the blame.
Wow awesome post! You just hit the nail on the head about this team. All I have to say is great minds think alike. Do you work for ESPN? Unbelieveable this is the first time you have posted here...We really need more golden sayings like this instead of those idiot talkings.
Tmac should be the first to leave. Adelman's offense does work, we see it work everytime the BENCH plays. The bench easily scores and outworks the starters simply because they play team ball. Artest and Yao both can play Adelman's offense. Its just Tmac wants to have the ball to create. It works sometimes but most of the time it results in the shot clock running out or a bad shot. Stick to the system. The man can coach and he wouldn't be in Houston if he couldn't.
Just trying to follow your lead Echu888 Couldn't agree with you more regarding the track records of the two though. Who would you rather go to war with - Klinger from MASH or Colin Powell?
Off topic, but definitely Klinger. We lost that war the moment we got into it, and Colin so completely disgraced himself.
