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Adelman or Tmac who would go in a showdown?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 2, 2009.

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If it is showdown at the Rockets corale, who do you think should win?

  1. Tmac - Give him the ball and let him work

    48 vote(s)
    20.7%
  2. Adelman - Get rid of the malcontent and play the team game

    184 vote(s)
    79.3%
  1. clos4life

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    Adelman has to go. He doesn't have what he needs to run his offense and he is ruining our defensive intensity.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    By the way guys this is a hypothetical only, I do think Tmac is unhappy with his role, but do not think it has come to this....

    I think Adelman can sort it out, at least I hope it does.....

    This is a "WHAT IF" thread only....like...what if they just can't work together...who do you side with....

    DD
     
  3. llpsoulqq

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    give T-mac the ball.. a super on the team only gets 10 shots a game?? what a joke...look at kobe.. hes in a good team and he still get 20 shots or more per nightly basics.. and what t-mac said is ture he needs the ball in order to get into his rythem. Yes its a team game.. but team is nothing without a hero.. since yao is playing mad soft and cant be the savor of rockets.. and artest is juz turning the ball over too much..so every team needs a hero and every hero needs a team..
     
  4. DudeWah

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    Wow, even with all the Tracy hate, I didn't expect this.
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    He is about as dispassionate as I've seen a player in the NBA, but could it be because of the way Rick is conducting the team?
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    This team's real problem is the coach, not the players.
    Most of the losses that we have had could have been avoided if not for his boneheaded techniques..
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    While McGrady is making me want to completely give up on him, Adleman is the real problem.
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    Remember, Tracy McGrady is not the entire team.
    If the coach had any sort of guts whatsoever, he would do whatever necessary (i.e. sitting McGrady, or anyone else who gives no effort) to win.
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    Rick Adleman is not fit, or even capable of coaching this team
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    We need someone with an aggressive attitude, who can clamp down on this team and make them work hard on both ends of the court.
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    That man is not Rick Adleman
     
  5. jpapi0022

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    Ohh i didn't think he had a problem with it. I never heard him complain or read about him not liking it :( :( . We should have went after Rick Carlise (spelling) instead of RA no offense coach. But if we had RC it would have been a better fit
     
  6. DreamWeaver

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    It's not too late. But Adelman needs to be fired ASAP. He does not know how to maximize the potential of his roster.

    We are not as bad as we looked tonight. We are just badly coached.
     
  7. Yetti

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    If you read this you will know what I think.......... :p
    Western Conference Power House, the diminutive Houston Rockets Basketball Team, once considered Contenders for the 2009 World Championships, has succumbed to the lowly Toronto Raptors. In fact they were crushed by the determined Raptors 94pts to 73 pts.

    The Rockets played with heart, so much so that they slightly raised their interest in the game to just above gutless. Their Coach, once great Coach Adelman of the famed Sacrament offence, was content to see that the Rockets play a complete game without an organized play. In fact they performed the Sacrament offence and defense as though they were Vlade Devac and Chris Webber to a tee (Retired of course!).

    Content in his seat, along with the other emotion less assistant coaches he was witness to a showing by his team, that there is something deeply wrong about the team and its play. By the end of this Road Trip possibly General Manager, Morey the Wizard, might be tempted to turn over the reigns to Tom Thibodeau, who is about the only Coach who could turn things around in the second half of the season.
    This team can’t play the Sacramento game and it almost can’t do anything by playing its injured players’
    This team will go nowhere without a game plan that includes all the talented players, a new Floor General and a Back up athletic Center are desperately needed, Mutombo is incapable of being this person.
    Won Wafer was persuaded to give up his regular role as bench warmer and played in the last 12 mins. of the game. Von Wafer came to play and was not effected by the down mood of his companions-he was the high scorer for the Rockets with 18points , without hime we would have lost by 35 at least. :p
     
  8. Pringles

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    Tracy for sure.

    When players don't give a crap on defense or offensive execution, it starts with the leaders, not the coaches.
     
  9. tigermission1

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    That is pretty much what it will have to come down to. Adelman's offense never materialized, because -- as you said -- we don't have the personnel for it, and even if our player submitted to it I am convinced it would be to their detriment, not benefit. A successful coach ALWAYS fits the system to the players. JVG was just as stubborn about his system, only difference is JVG's system was well suited for Yao and McGrady, who are at the end of the day the only two players who will take you anywhere. Moreover, JVG's system emphasized defense, defense and more defense...this was perfect for the role players and the star players alike because it established a team identity, and defense always requires hustle and some consistent level of energy which became a stable of Rockets' basketball. In a sense, the Rockets have lost their brand, and they are now soul searching, which inevitably will lead to finger pointing.

    Unfortunately for Adelman (and undoubtedly in part his own doing) this team 1) does not have the personnel to run his offense in a consistent manner, and 2) they have adopted his laid back demeanor and lack of emphasis on defense, and consequently their energy level has dropped tremendously/fluctuated in extremes during his tenure. I know this may sound weird, but defense forces a team to raise its level of energy, because it requires players to hustle, and I think that tends to carry over on the other side of the ball. Now, it is not going to make you a better shooting team or more talented, but at least more nights than not you will be forced to put in some effort.

    Adelman is just not as obsessive compulsive as JVG was, and with a team led by a duo of bi-polar personalities (and a bi-polar point guard) it is much needed.

    OK, I am done for the night, too many long posts...
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Tiger,

    True, but Adelman has run multiple offenses, the Portland one with Drexler would fit perfectly here.

    Oh well.....

    DD
     
  11. Shroopy2

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    Adelman has never quit on his team. McGrady would be the choice to go.
    its 65/35 McGrady over Adelman.

    WHAT IS MCGRADY'S MOTIVATION? Is it winning or his ego?

    Supporting McGrady, in the extreme sense its like supporting Buddy Ryan for swinging a punch at the team's offensive coordinator cuz he didnt like the play calls. Entertainment aside he might be "right" and liked what he did, but he's equally a distracting ass.

    This thread is another "you heard it hear first" thing. Almost as distracting and aloof as anything McGrady can do.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I can't help it if I am KnowstroDDamus.

    :)

    And truthfully, I would think that both of them could work it out before it gets to a point where one has to go, at least I hope so....

    DD
     
  13. Shroopy2

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    Pretty much point for point why Sacramento front office soured on Adelman and let him go.

    So Adelman's showing the negative aspects from his previous tenure
    McGrady is showing the Me-Mac we heard about.

    PLEASE lets not hope Artest starts displaying his unstable side.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    Since this thread is venturing into the fan fiction category, Maybe Jeff Van Gundy called Tmac and said "Hey make Aldeman look bad so I can come back and coach again"
     
  15. waihh

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    I vote for TMac running the show, if lack of touch was really the problem behind TMac's poor showing the last few games. It worked in the past, so it can continue to work.

    On the other hand, I do not see Rick Adelman has a clue what he is doing, or he is too lazy to get anything done at this stage of his career. It's not like when TMac was not playing, the rockets had a clicking offense. Adelman has no game plan, no discipline, no fire, and his having things workout by themselves approach is annoying.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Rick knows what he is doing it has worked everywhere he has been.....but if the players are revolting against what he is trying to do, it won't work.

    And if Tmac is going to quit, it won't work either.

    DD
     
  17. rhester

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    DD, this is getting bad, just read through alot of the threads...

    If this is really a TMac vs. Adelman deal... that's about worst case scenario.

    I agree, Adelman is a good coach, but it's definately catch 22 for him.

    Do you think TMac's trade value is going up or down... I think it's sinking fast...


    I feel for Morey.
     
  18. blathersby

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    Simply put: do you think Adelman really has a choice on whether or not to play T-Mac? They don't pay him what they do for him to sit all the time. No WAY Les lets him get away with a D'Antoni/Marbury.
     
  19. worzel gummidge

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    JVG wouldn't bench T-Mac, he had a hard time benching Alston and that only happened one game. Even that didn't last as Alston threw a mini tantrum so he put him back later in the game.

    I can't figure out how Adelman can be the scapegoat for T-Mac's loss of ability. "It's all on" McGrady. Also If you haven't noticed Morey's has been the most vocal critic of McGrady and how he's dealing with his injury since day one.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Me too, but I don't think it has to be one or the other goes......but there has to be a point in which they agree going forward.

    Adelman has always been maleable, I have to think he knows that Tmac is unhappy, and will adjust to suite him......as he should.

    It is just flat out ugly, and how sad that TMac chooses this year to do this, when he has been complaining about having weak teams, and now he has one, which is built around his abilities and he flakes out on them...

    It is like he wants to shoot himself in the foot.

    DD
     

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